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I have to believe this is disinformation from our side,though I don't see the benefit of it. Their only hope is our lack of patience,confronting a rifle company will lead to a rapid dissolution of jihadi sentiment. But,I hope it's true.

http//www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2158068,00.html
It might be possible. The terrorists are facing a growing number of Iraqi troops since more US troops will be replaced by Iraqis and sent home. They guess the US troop level will decrease by 30,000 at the end of this year. This could mean that 4GW becomes less effective for the terrorists (a smaller number of US casualties in the MSM, a relatively stable Iraqi government) and thus they will move on to other tactics.
They probably are doing it as a show of force but it will fail. The terrorists have labeled it a suicide mission themselves. This is probably disinformation on the part of terrorists or desperation because perhaps their patience is running out.
If they are assuming their opponents will be the IA and IP I guess it seems wiser,but it still seems to me a very losing proposition. Though,they may have no alternatives.

The Iraqi Sunnis are pretty much off the table to them at the current time. If the Shiite don't act like Saddam in return(and signs are they won't) then the fact is the jihadis are losers in Iraq regardless of which avenue they take.

If they mass,they get shot through quicker,period. In Diyala Province recently,there were some really nicely co-ordianted jihadi attacks on IP stations,checkpoints and the IA,with a couple of hundred "soldiers".

They got waxed without a single US soldier being within 50 miles. Please jihadists,form up your ranks so we can kill you all sooner!
I think that this is the key part of the article.

Quote:Faced with a shortage of foreign fighters willing to undertake suicide missions, Zarqawi wants to turn his group into a more traditional force mounting co-ordinated guerrilla raids on coalition targets.

Interesting isn't it that all those millions of zealots, who were supposed to stream in to Iraq and flood the Allies with suicide killers, has simply failed to materialize as advertised. If Zarqawi is unable to funnel enough Kooks willing to strap an explosive belt around their middle, then he has no other choice, other than find another place to demonstrate his brand of Jihaad.

Aparantly, there are not as many idiots available as he thought. Does anybody think that the Muslim world is seeing that sacrifice of this nature, does not really pay?
John,

The fanatical mind never sees. But,when things look bad already,the normal mind does not accept the fanatical view. This thing is going to last just long enough to rid the region of 80% of the fanatics before they're all dead and the government is firmly rooted. Consider those dying in Egypt and Saudi Arabia as well.

When it's all said and done,the lack of a quick and easy victory will be a long term blessing to everyone in the region.

Unfortunately,due to Afghanistan and Waziristan's relative backwardness,those situatiuons will percolate for decades probably.
Yeah people years from now will be talking about how President Bush laid a trap in Iraq for the terrorists. This is a quagmire alright, a quagmire for the terrorists. However Iraq can see a big increase in foreign fighters if Iran orders Hezbollah to conduct war in Iraq in order to keep us there longer so they can finish their nuclear business. Not that this will work for Iran but Iran may try that.

As far as I know Hezbollah activity in Iraq is limited.
Yeah, Iraq and tax cuts are about the only two things that Bush has done that I agree with anymore.

Oh, and his two Supreme Court nominations also. I hope that he gets another one to nominate. I would just love to see him nominate another Classic Liberal, like Janice Rogers Brown, to go along with the other one, Justice Thomas, who is already there. We need another Individualist up there to help banalce the Collectivist/Statist kooks.
It could lead to a morale boost.
Anon,

Morale boost if you take a company of men and lose 1/2 or more everytime you attack?

Not likely. Loss rates like that tend to wise up even the Japanese fanatics after a while. This is exactly the opposite of what they should be doing,which leads me to think it's bs.
Palladin, why did the Tienmen?(what the hell was it called?) offensive in Vietname boost the morale of the Vietnamese, when they lost most of their men? It was because the mere act of standing up to the U.s. military in a conventional matter boosted morale.
Anonymous24 Wrote:Palladin, why did the Tienmen?(what the hell was it called?) offensive in Vietname boost the morale of the Vietnamese, when they lost most of their men? It was because the mere act of standing up to the U.s. military in a conventional matter boosted morale.

You are reading revisionist history here. The Tet offensive was a HUGE blow to the NVA. Only one thing gave them hope, and that was the MSM of that time. Only the press could take a Huge victory and turn it into a Huge defeat.

This is one of the many reasons why the MSM is no longer respected or taken at face value anymore by most of the country. Only the left continues to spout their line, but most Americans have become wise to this and are not so easily fooled.
Well, first of all, I admitted that the Tet offensive was a military defeat for the Vietcong. "Most of them died". However, I believe it had more to do with than the MSM. I think the mere fact that the Vietcong stood up to the U.S. militarily, even if they were defeated, was a morale boost.
Anonymous24 Wrote:Well, first of all, I admitted that the Tet offensive was a military defeat for the Vietcong. "Most of them died". However, I believe it had more to do with than the MSM. I think the mere fact that the Vietcong stood up to the U.S. militarily, even if they were defeated, was a morale boost.

No. The general in charge of the operation, can't remember his name, wrote a book about his life, and in this time, he stated that they were on the verge of having to concede defeat.

However, it was the anti war rhetoric coming from the MSM, in the US, that made them keep holding on until they got back on their feet again. Even he admitted this.

It is the moral will of domestic institutions within a nation, such as ours, that can make or break our will to win. That is why I despise the MSM so vehemently. We are our own worst enemies. And I am looking forward to the MSM losing more of it's clout, because they deserve it.
The MSM reflects the American people. If you hate them, you hate the American people.
Anonymous24 Wrote:The MSM reflects the American people. If you hate them, you hate the American people.

That is patently false, of course, and you should already know this. The MSM is almost exclusively left, around 85%, while the average American is more center right in political position. That is why they are losing shares of viewers. Therefore, they do NOT reflect the American peoplle.

Question Anon. Do you actually believe all this that you put out, or are you just tweaking our noses? I'm genuinely interested in knowing this, not trying to be snide.
The Tet Offensive was as huge a strategic loss for the communists as Stalingrad was for the Wermacht.

The people of the USA lost heart due to their subjectivity and THAT enlived the communists,not losing so much of their fighting force that the VC became NVA regulars to a large extent after that fight. The NVA could watch as our nation was fighting amonst itself and that cheered them up.

Most military historians think militarily we won the war by 1972. The ARVN had a huge fight with the NVA in 1972 with air support and whipped them hard. Only after we abandoned them without tactical air did the communist win in 1975.

The communists had been "standing up" to the US Army since 1962,fighting to our strength and dying like flies did not give them higher morale. Had they pulled a TET in 1962,the war would have been won by us because we wouldn't have run out of patience as we ended up doing.

We see much the same today,the ILLUSION of victory is all our enemies can achieve yet 1/2 of this nation is prepared to lose the GWOT without a fight. THAT is what gives jihadists today morale,not dying like flies when they confront the US Army.

If they got better as they died,how did Hussein have these people cowed? By offering them candy canes? How did the Taliban suppress them if fighting back causes them to gain strength? What kind of logic has taken over the minds of 1/2 of the people of this nation?
I think most people are slightly center Left, actually, However, the MSM doesn't refelect them

At the same time, the people believe what they want to believe. If they believe whatever the MSM tells them, this means they have come to those conclusions themselves already. So the people were on the brink of stopping their support of the Vietnam War by the time of the Tet Offensive. The MSM can't trick the people into believing something they don't already believe.
Anonymous24 Wrote:I think most people are slightly center Left, actually, However, the MSM doesn't refelect them

At the same time, the people believe what they want to believe. If they believe whatever the MSM tells them, this means they have come to those conclusions themselves already. So the people were on the brink of stopping their support of the Vietnam War by the time of the Tet Offensive. The MSM can't trick the people into believing something they don't already believe.

I can't show you the polls, but polls clearly show that the number of people who look at themself as being conservative and liberal is much heavily weighted to the conservative scale.

You may think that the country is tilted to the left, but you are living in another universe if you do. You have the liberty to think as you do, but you will be wrong. That is why the country is headed back in the direction it came from politically. If you can't see this, you are looking in the wrong direction.

BTY, you did not answer my question on another thread. :?
If you use polls as evidence that most people are slightly conservative, then you must accept most people believe the Iraq War to be a mistake. Since that is what the polls show.

What other thread? I have not been active on the Bearpit. You know my two nicks.
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