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Quote:instead he propped them up enough for us now to expect gratitude and not resentment.
Huh? Are you serious? When such moral qualities entered in the realm of int. relations? Besides, why the Mex. establishment should hurt themself in order to generate "gratitude"? And for what?
Exactly. Are you so naive to expect thanks for a job well done? Just because we actually have the best interests of the Mexican people at heart doesn't mean that the Mexican people will not resent any actions that they need to embrace to make their own lives better. They are the exemplification of the Democrat party's drive for entitlement votes. The Mexican government would lose its power if its people had rights, so the people are taught to be victims.

The DaimlerChrysler plant project in Toluca, Mexico is an example of what can be. The line workers there are proud and overjoyed to have well-paying jobs. When that plant first opened - the Toluca workers produced PT Cruisers that were virtually defect-free: something unheard of in any North American plant - let alone a brand new one. I doubt very many family members from Toluca hide in Coyote trailers being cooked alive in order to escape into the U.S. in hopes of picking onions for piece work.
Quote:we actually have the best interests of the Mexican people at heart
We do? Shock Don't you think that this is (a little) hypocritical?
Without an effectively secured border, none of the other measures are likely to work well, even if we decide that we can stand them.
Sure do. The screwed-up whackos who want to control land they do not own based on some millennium-old legacy are insignificant. The leaders who they selected to run them bought and sold their rights away generations ago. If they have any problems, they must take it up with Vincente Fox and his predecessors. The people who made deserts thrive and brought in water where there wasn't any, need not kowtow to those whose forebears lost wars and signed treaties and agreed to boundaries, yet refuse to honor their own history. A little education is a dangerous thing.

The people who matter are the ones who have homes and families in Mexico who want to flee to a better country to live. It is for them that a better Mexico will benefit. We do not need the U.S. to look like Mexico. We need Mexico to begin to look like the U.S.
Huh? I suspect that we are talking past each other. I do not care much about your whackos. I do care that the US laws on the books here in the US must be enforced here in the US.
I know and respect Mary Mostert since the times she run the "Original sources". But the sad truth is that laws will not be enforced.
Yes it is sad that every single outlaw will not be rounded up and dealt with. However, if we stop whining about it and figure the best use of what we can do, we'd be better off.

There are myriad laws available to deal with the 11 million illegals already resident all over the nation - some with legal family members. Which laws are best to use? INS has many things in its arsenal. Regular police have all sorts of things, like vagrancy or fraud. Which courts should we run them through and where do we hold them?
WmLambert Wrote:Yes it is sad that every single outlaw will not be rounded up and dealt with.
I wish I had your conf. The truth is closer to: few single outlaws will be rounded up ....There is no historical example of a gov. successfully stopping mass migration. Even Romans eventually succumbed. And they did not subscribed to PC nonsense (AFAIK). S1
This isn't like the Germans invading the Roman Empire because the Mexicans don't want to displace us, but rather live with us. Plus they're not armed or hostle.

Anyway, the argument is moot because our economy needs them too much.
Anonymous24 Wrote:This isn't like the Germans invading the Roman Empire because the Mexicans don't want to displace us, but rather live with us. Plus they're not armed or hostle.

Anyway, the argument is moot because our economy needs them too much.

as well as live on us, and further support of that concept of Atzlan or whatever - sympathies to Mexico........I also somehow find it hard to believe they are all peace-loving peoples who illegally cross the border......
Illegally crossing the border has nothing to do with being violent.
Anonymous24 Wrote:Illegally crossing the border has nothing to do with being violent.
Illegal crossing is breaking the law. Right there and than. If you want to change the law (retroactivly???) go ahead, but do not tell me that just because many of them are non-violent, there is no law-breaking.
BTW, there was enough detail analysis of this problem on Stratfor. It worth to read.
Quote:Illegal crossing is breaking the law. Right there and than. If you want to change the law (retroactivly???) go ahead, but do not tell me that just because many of them are non-violent, there is no law-breaking.

But I never said that. Gunnen4u said that law-breaking = violence. I said that it doesn't.

Of course the Mexicans are breaking the law. However, there is such a thing as a bad law.
And at the same time - there is a thing called common sense...
It is common sense to keep the Mexicans out? Why?
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