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mv Wrote:I don't want to hijack the thread with the land confiscations, but that many of them are socialists (or as John prefers, friendly fascists) is not exactly a secret.

Not at all, but... There is traditional point that there were russian commies - bolsheviks and there were west social democrats. And they were very different. There was dramatic and criminal history of Soviet Union and there was successful Sweden. And comments by Vishnievsky:

Мне Маркса жаль, его учение
Упало в русскую купель,
Здесь цель оправдывала средства,
И средства обосрали цель.

But now I'm watching Spain socialists: bolsheviks! World revolution continuous...
bh Wrote:To me Marx it is it's a pity, his study fell into the Russian of
purchases, here purpose justified means, I of the means of obosrali
purpose.
?
Hopefully, a slightly better translation:

I'm sorry for Marx, his teachings
Fell into the Russian mess
Once the goal justified the means,
The means pooped all over the goal

(I'd not going to try to rythm this.)
I think "end justifies the means" may be involved, especially with the "messing" being used instead of "pooping" for the reiteration effect.

It does all make sense though.
It is very hard to balance between a literal translation and something that would sound ok in English. I went with the "goal" since it is not clear how one can shjt on the end.....(the word you could not translate is the verb "to shjt upon..." and is considered obscene...I wanted to keep it).
mv Wrote:Hopefully, a slightly better translation:

I'm sorry for Marx, his teachings
Fell into the Russian mess
Once the goal justified the means,
The means pooped all over the goal

(I'd not going to try to rythm this.)
IMHO it's very close to original. But if you want to read some russian texts I recommend River Chronos by Kir Bulichev. He had wrote fantastic novel using history of XX century as a substrate. His analysis of communism and fascism is very interesting, especially theory of fascism as a defense reaction of society against communism...
I actually read part of it.---definitely the best SciFi I read in the last couple of years. I'm still trying to find the remaining parts.
Why would he try to escape, if he was going to be acquitted?
Anonymous24 Wrote:Why would he try to escape, if he was going to be acquitted?

Slobo?

For example, because a man in his late sixties would not want to spend another ten years on trial...regardless of the trial's outcome.
Yeah. Who says it would have lasted 10 years?
It already lasted four and made essentially no progress. Few more years were expected by everyone who still paid attention to the trial.
The prosecutors had trotted out all their prize witnesses already and found nothing to pin on Milosevic. Some of the witnesses also turned on the prosecutors and informed the court they had been threatened and told to lie by the prosecutors. The court also appointed blue-ribbon investigators to go dig up the mass graves and document genocide attributed to Milosevic - but they were unable to do so. They more they looked, they more they found that Milosevic had been defending the people from KLA atrocities and their own genocide.

The court literally had no new witnesses to call, and no new facts that were uncovered to even justify having a trial. They were facing a directed verdict of innocent when Milosevic died.
...at least it explains, why West started Balkan war. Information about German participation is not new, it was known from the very begining, but interaction between allies was interesting.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?c...cleId=2110
Good article.
Serbia recognised independence of Kosovo... Any suggestions, who persuaded them? I still can't understand what's the difference between reformed alcoholic Bush and unreformed fuuucker Clinton in international affairs.
bh Wrote:Serbia recognised independence of Kosovo... Any suggestions, who persuaded them?
Strange... I guess that russian press will more likely find some answers (eventually).
Quote:I still can't understand what's the difference between reformed alcoholic Bush and unreformed fuuucker Clinton in international affairs.
Entertainment quality? :twisted:
True, Bush 43 is no longer drinking or living dangerously and Clinton 42 is as licentious as ever - but their international philosophies don't really coincide. Clinton was surrounded by Holbrooke and Albright, and went with any public opinion poll of the week. Albright and Holbrooke hated Milosevic, and supported Islamacist terrorists over him and the Serbian people. Real threats to America, like Osama bin Laden Clinton had the MSM in his pocket, so nothing he did or said in the international arena was held up for scrutiny.

Bush has real experts as his advisers, and ignores polls. He sets policy goals and asks his staff to follow where he leads. The MSM will not grant Kudos for international victories, and as often as not, do the ground work for his opposition to derail his initiatives. Without the MSM and Bush-bashing Dems, the war in Iraq would be over, with no insurgency, and no huge body count.

If the Dems were half as supportive with the bipartisanship showed by the GOP during Clinton's term, all the courtships across the country would be fully staffed, and Social Security and Healthcare would be on their way to being fixed. Bush is a moderate and his programs cross over to the Dem's historical positions, infuriating the Right - yet the Left dismisses him, because they feel he's stolen their issues and have no where to go to win back their power.
God bless his soul. :roll:

And, ain't it true about the Dems. They have totally gone raving nuts and are a total disgrace to themselves and this country. Unfortunately, their greed will most likely harm us all in the end. I consider them to be traitors..........interested in anything that will get them back into power.
ag Wrote:
bh Wrote:Serbia recognised independence of Kosovo... Any suggestions, who persuaded them?
Strange... I guess that russian press will more likely find some answers (eventually).
Hmmm..., I woud be glad to know, when Vuk Drazhkovich will be killed... It's not his duty to decide future of Kosovo.
WmLambert Wrote:True, Bush 43 is no longer drinking or living dangerously and Clinton 42 is as licentious as ever - but their international philosophies don't really coincide.
... don't really coincide ... in Iraq. But their policy in Balkans is similar.
SoloNav Wrote:I consider them to be traitors..........interested in anything that will get them back into power.
"Democrats" are the same anywhere. In Serbia for example.

Some comments about Condi, in english :?
http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php?i...2006-04-01
Quote:Above all, Condi has now embraced the President’s democracy advocacy project. She’ll probably do a bit of that in Britain this week, since she tends to do it wherever she goes, talking about the benefits of elections and the rule of law everywhere from South America to Eastern Europe to East Asia (never forgetting to mention that childhood in segregated Birmingham). Once again, don’t make the mistake of believing she is doing so for the sake of any crusading ideology or utopianism. She has simply judged that at present the only pragmatic approach to the world, especially in the Middle East, is to talk a lot about democracy and to push it wherever possible. She has concluded that the United States has more stable relationships with countries which, as she often puts it, ‘share our values’. Hence new money for radio and television broadcasts in Iran, or friendly noises about more liberal Arab countries such as Dubai, or comments about how Indonesia could serve as a ‘model’ for other Islamic nations.
bh Wrote:...don't make the mistake of believing she is doing so for the sake of any crusading ideology or utopianism. She has simply judged that at present the only pragmatic approach to the world...
Why is this a mistake? What logic begs the question without providing reasons?

The alternative to not endorsing the Free Enterprise system and representative government with the betterment of its people as the goal is what? Of course this is Rice's often-espoused ideology. The writer of the above quote is spinning an agenda. Run from this person and do not credit him/her with any integrity.
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