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How many Islamic states are there out here,including Turkey? Anyone understand why no Muslim states desires to help these people,but they all flip when a paper prints cartoons about Mohammad?



http//www.islamonline.net/English/News/2004-07/24/article04.shtml
Muslims are very tollerent and understanding, didn't you know that? Why else would they turn their backs of other fellow Muslims?
Sure wish some Muslim would speak to this phenomenon.
Palladin Wrote:How many Islamic states are there out here,including Turkey? Anyone understand why no Muslim states desires to help these people,but they all flip when a paper prints cartoons about Mohammad?



http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/...le04.shtml

I understand... Their homeland is in Georgia.
Quote:Turkish and Azeri parliamentarians had recently appealed for an international intervention to pressure the Georgian government into allowing the return of Ahiska Muslims.
I'm not criticising Rice... :?
Fine,but why didn't some Muslim nation accept them???

If a bunch of Christians or Jews are treated wrong,I am pleased for them to have a home in America,what's wrong with Muslim peoples?
Palladin Wrote:Fine,but why didn't some Muslim nation accept them???
S2 S2 S2 Cause they beleive in crap by Bush and Rice: "Georgia is democracy...". Beleive or prefer to take american official crap seriously.
Why not? Why West bombed Serbia for mythic (before bombing) ethnic cleanships, but support Saakashvili, who continues Stalins policy of real ethnic cleanship? I don't want West to bomb Georgia, but they can and must demand Saakashvili to accept them.
I think only a tiny portion of the entire story is visible at the moment. This may be the "late-round draft pick to be named later." What the whole situation is remains to be seen, and perhaps never will.

And it might just be sincere humanitarianism in action.

Perhaps the lack of Muslim offers of help is a point in itself?
Just a guess.
Turkey has always accepted immigrants in the past.
During the last 200 years, at least 2 million Tatars. Over 1 million of Bulgarian Turks and Pomaks. I don't know how many Bosnians, Chechens and other Moslems have moved to Turkey.

Also, contrary to what some of you believe, majority of Turkic people are not very strict Moslems. According to the latest polls in Turkey, 85% believe that you don't have to go to mosque or pray regularly to be considered a Moslem. I think other Turkic people feel the same way, therefore taking these people to any other Moslem country besides Turkey would cause hardship on them. Even though Bosnians are not Turkic, they also are not exemplary Moslems. During Serbian turmoil, about 7,000 of them immigrated to Iran, within one year most of them were living in Turkey.

Perhaps, these Turks want to move into the best country in the world S2
Kamil Wrote:Perhaps, these Turks want to move into the best country in the world S2
... and improve it. :? It's exactly a problem.
BH,

That's a silly answer. These are Muslims,it stands to reason they would prefer living among other Muslims if someone offered them a chance to.
Partially true, Palladin... there ARE plenty of Muslims living peacefully and prosperously in the U.S. Our community here in nearby Dearborn, Michigan is the largest enclave outside of the Middle East. The "peaceful and prosperous" part might just override living amongst other Muslims in Muslim third-world nations.
Palladin Wrote:BH,

That's a silly answer. These are Muslims,it stands to reason they would prefer living among other Muslims if someone offered them a chance to.
No... Most of them want to live near tombs of their ancestors AT HOME. They were cleansed 60 years ago and they still want to return home.
And some of them are ready to live in any prosperous country.
It's strange world - muslims don't want to live among muslims, albanians don't want to live in Albania, but prefer Kosovo...
...and they all jump at the chance to go to the U.S.
WmLambert Wrote:...and they all jump at the chance to go to the U.S.
A lot of them for sure will be glad to go to the US, but not all... They are a part of traditional world and their old generation want to return home. They aren't nation of emigrants.
And Turkey for sure support them in attempt to return like they support crimean tatars and other vassals near the border.
bh Wrote:
Palladin Wrote:Fine,but why didn't some Muslim nation accept them???
S2 S2 S2 Cause they beleive in crap by Bush and Rice: "Georgia is democracy...". Beleive or prefer to take american official crap seriously.
Why not? Why West bombed Serbia for mythic (before bombing) ethnic cleanships, but support Saakashvili, who continues Stalins policy of real ethnic cleanship? I don't want West to bomb Georgia, but they can and must demand Saakashvili to accept them.
You sound...frustrated. You seem...angry.
Let me guess you don't like President Bush. Just a wild guess, not accurate though. Actually you despise him. That's why you post crap and expect others to accept it. No one believes your crap either. Lack of knowledge leaks from all pores.
The Ethnic cleansing in Serbia was a myth? Fantastic. They buried thousand upon thousand of those myths in unmarked graves or threw them in ditches along the road. The main culprits have made admissions to it, as they are proud of it. A myth. Really.
Eaglestrikes, the Serbs weren't the only ones killing people... when you have a country where everyone is killing everyone, how are you supposed to separate the good guys from the bad?
My great-grandparents and grandparents from both sides of family and thousands of others like them left Penza, Russia after Communist revolution. When they were leaving Russia, Turkish Republic was just getting established and the whole Middle East was in turmoil, so they choose to immigrate to China.
My parents were born in China, life was good for all the Tatar and Russian immigrants in China, most of them became Chinese citizens. Afterwards, Communist took over China, Tatars after living under Communism for a few years decided to leave China. Only two countries worked to get Tatars out of China, they were United States and Turkey. About half of the Tatars including my grandparents and parents immigrated to Turkey and the rest went to the United States. Most Russians immigrated to the United States, actually when my parents decided to move to United States from Turkey in the late 1960s, their old Russian friends from China, provided the required affidavit for them to move to the United States.

I don't think Turks or Tatars could immigrate to some hard core Moslem country and fit in, after all we have became very secular in our beliefs.
Kamil,

That makes imminent sense from the view of the Muslims being discussed. I still don't understand why a MUSLIM state doesn't offer them haven though,for instance,why not Turkey?

That's my main point. Why is it that America is 100% lambasted 100% of the time by most Muslims as evil,but when it's time for help,who helped these unfortunate people? Turkey or America? America or Pakistan? America or Jordan?

I'm just disgusted with us acting decently and being accused like this is all. I need to get a thicker skin. I'm actually glad for them,wish good on them. Very bad they've been displaced.
Anon,

Couldn't agree more on the Balkans conflict. If there has been a clearly illegal war effort by the USA in my lifetime,that was it.

We had no security fears from Serbia nor did any NATO ally,our congress refused to authorize the war effort,we did not even ask UN permission and the Albanians beneficiaries in Kosovo were not formal allies(nor are today).

I saw that as the most outrageous thing in my lifetime that we've been involved in,there wasn't 1 ounce of justification morally or legally.

You think Bush puts out pr on Iraq,Clinton owned people like ES here with his big lies. 100K dead in a soccer stadium and crap like that,just embarrassing that some of our people bought that trash.
Eaglestrikes, on this one issue, you need to back off a little for a wider perspective. I've been following the years-long Milosevic trial at the Hague, and there has been no verification of Serbian genocide of Albanians - however, the same thing cannot be said about the Albanian Muslims who started the problems in Kosovo.

It was the Albanian Muslims who poured over the mountainous border into Kosovo to flee their own failed economy and take what wasn't theirs.

Mary Mostert is one of my favorite observers of the world scene. She has archived the events in Bosnia-Kosovo, and I have yet to find a more thorough and accurate historical analysis of the events than you will find here.

Also, her comments on the Golden Mosque bombing compares it to the ongoing attacks, bombings, and burnings of Serbian Christian churches in Kosovo by the Albanian Muslims, as the NATO peacemakers look on.
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