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http://www.rense.com/general69/whwow.htm

and in light of these events back in the middle of 2005:

http://www.twf.org/News/Y2005/0928-Basra.html
http://www.uruknet.info/?s1=55&p=16296&s2=30

It looks like and gigantic conspiracy against iraq and the muslim world.
The first article posted at Rense.com is pure propaganda. You don't really fall for the Waheed trial of British soldiers in a conflicted area as a reason for Islamofacists to attack each other? This article tries to say that Tony Blair blew up the Golden Mosque to misdirect the attention of the media? Stupid article on a website that apologizes for the unsubstantiated nature of the posts that appear there.

The second article is equally unworthy to consider. The article, itself, states that true identity of either the two captured with explosives and those who allowed 150 prisoners to escape were unknown, but then goes on to call them British soldiers in every mention. Obvious disinformation. Occam's razor originated in this part of the world, right? Why not use it? People wearing Arab dress, driving an Arab car, with explosives that Arabs use to blow up each other are most likely what? Brazilian soccer players? Ubangi prepubescent girls with plates sewn into their lips? Quail hunters in Texas? The web site is another disinformation center designed to slander and libel anybody and anything that can rationalize the shortcomings of Islamofacism.

The third one is a parody of news. Evidently some Islamofacists don't get that it is mocking them and think it is real. It blames all the Insurgent activities in Iraq on British, U.S., and Israeli covert operatives (of course - couldn't have an Arabic whacko conspiracy theory without throwing in the Israelis) "masquerading" as Arabs. It is truly laughable at how clumsily the author throws in extraneous and unsubstantiated real news stories to supposedly lend credibility to the article. For instance the author refers to a 1998 Omagh bombing attack, which killed 29 civilians and then claims it was done by an SAS double agent as reported by Sunday Herald (http://www.sundayherald.com/17827). You go to the Herald report, and see that the British were trying to stop the bad guys and the undercover op was not able to contact the British to stop the bombing in time. So of course, he is the one at fault.

I went through all the links provided and found not one single verifiable piece of information.

Otherwise, nice post.
WmLambert Wrote:The first article posted at Rense.com is pure propaganda. You don't really fall for the Waheed trial of British soldiers in a conflicted area as a reason for Islamofacists to attack each other? This article tries to say that Tony Blair blew up the Golden Mosque to misdirect the attention of the media? Stupid article on a website that apologizes for the unsubstantiated nature of the posts that appear there.

The second article is equally unworthy to consider. The article, itself, states that true identity of either the two captured with explosives and those who allowed 150 prisoners to escape were unknown, but then goes on to call them British soldiers in every mention. Obvious disinformation. Occam's razor originated in this part of the world, right? Why not use it? People wearing Arab dress, driving an Arab car, with explosives that Arabs use to blow up each other are most likely what? Brazilian soccer players? Ubangi prepubescent girls with plates sewn into their lips? Quail hunters in Texas? The web site is another disinformation center designed to slander and libel anybody and anything that can rationalize the shortcomings of Islamofacism.

The third one is a parody of news. Evidently some Islamofacists don't get that it is mocking them and think it is real. It blames all the Insurgent activities in Iraq on British, U.S., and Israeli covert operatives (of course - couldn't have an Arabic whacko conspiracy theory without throwing in the Israelis) "masquerading" as Arabs. It is truly laughable at how clumsily the author throws in extraneous and unsubstantiated real news stories to supposedly lend credibility to the article. For instance the author refers to a 1998 Omagh bombing attack, which killed 29 civilians and then claims it was done by an SAS double agent as reported by Sunday Herald (http://www.sundayherald.com/17827). You go to the Herald report, and see that the British were trying to stop the bad guys and the undercover op was not able to contact the British to stop the bombing in time. So of course, he is the one at fault.

I went through all the links provided and found not one single verifiable piece of information.

Otherwise, nice post.

Of course you could not find "single verifiable piece of information" because the information, which is fact, did not end up on fox news or fit with your political ideology. You can dismiss facts as "wacko conspiracies", but that doesn't make the facts any less than FACTS.

So you want to tell me that the the SAS undercover goons that were caught red handed, killed Iraqi police in an attempt to resist arrest, were trying to catch the "real" bad guys??

You also want ti deny the openly declared american-israel foreign policy that included destabilizing iraq into civil war, a break-up into 3 states?

And somehow your mythical "islamofacists" are always to blame, but never seem to benefit from the violence that has spread into major parts of the M.E.

Give me a break.
WmLambert Wrote:The first article posted at Rense.com is pure propaganda. You don't really fall for the Waheed trial of British soldiers in a conflicted area as a reason for Islamofacists to attack each other? This article tries to say that Tony Blair blew up the Golden Mosque to misdirect the attention of the media? Stupid article on a website that apologizes for the unsubstantiated nature of the posts that appear there.

The second article is equally unworthy to consider. The article, itself, states that true identity of either the two captured with explosives and those who allowed 150 prisoners to escape were unknown, but then goes on to call them British soldiers in every mention. Obvious disinformation. Occam's razor originated in this part of the world, right? Why not use it? People wearing Arab dress, driving an Arab car, with explosives that Arabs use to blow up each other are most likely what? Brazilian soccer players? Ubangi prepubescent girls with plates sewn into their lips? Quail hunters in Texas? The web site is another disinformation center designed to slander and libel anybody and anything that can rationalize the shortcomings of Islamofacism.

The third one is a parody of news. Evidently some Islamofacists don't get that it is mocking them and think it is real. It blames all the Insurgent activities in Iraq on British, U.S., and Israeli covert operatives (of course - couldn't have an Arabic whacko conspiracy theory without throwing in the Israelis) "masquerading" as Arabs. It is truly laughable at how clumsily the author throws in extraneous and unsubstantiated real news stories to supposedly lend credibility to the article. For instance the author refers to a 1998 Omagh bombing attack, which killed 29 civilians and then claims it was done by an SAS double agent as reported by Sunday Herald (http://www.sundayherald.com/17827). You go to the Herald report, and see that the British were trying to stop the bad guys and the undercover op was not able to contact the British to stop the bombing in time. So of course, he is the one at fault.

I went through all the links provided and found not one single verifiable piece of information.

Otherwise, nice post.

Of course you could not find "single verifiable piece of information" because the information, which is fact, did not end up on fox news or fit with your political ideology. You can dismiss facts as "wacko conspiracies", but that doesn't make the facts any less than FACTS.

So you want to tell me that the the SAS undercover goons that were caught red handed, killed Iraqi police in an attempt to resist arrest, were trying to catch the "real" bad guys??

You also want to deny the openly declared american-israeli foreign policy that included destabilizing iraq into civil war, a break-up into 3 states?

And somehow your mythical "islamofacists" are always to blame, but never seem to benefit from the violence that has spread into major parts of the M.E.

Give me a break.
Otto,

This is not a militant Islamic site,don't expect many to agree with anything you ever post honestly.

As for the story ,here is a good article concerning our potential responses. I think we may leave if a civil war breaks out,I think the guy in the article is right,if after 4 years we the people see them acting like apes,then we know that Muslims can't appreciate what post war Nazi Germany could and as such,we might ought to leave asap.

Below that is an article about how our Army is reacting to the current problems.

http//www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2058790,00.html


http//www.washingtontimes.com/national/20060224-114949-9880r.htm
Palladin Wrote:Otto,

This is not a militant Islamic site,don't expect many to agree with anything you ever post honestly.

As for the story ,here is a good article concerning our potential responses. I think we may leave if a civil war breaks out,I think the guy in the article is right,if after 4 years we the people see them acting like apes,then we know that Muslims can't appreciate what post war Nazi Germany could and as such,we might ought to leave asap.

Below that is an article about how our Army is reacting to the current problems.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,...90,00.html


http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/...-9880r.htm

Even you admit that a civil war is an exit stratagy.... so again, who benefits from blowing up shia mosques? Baathists? fictional El-Qeada? or the american-zionists?


btw, Who is "otto"?
I think Iran and militant Shiites benefit the most and for your information as a moderator,I am already SICK of your use of ZIONISM as a fig leaf for your neo Nazi views and as such hear this,you will be edited repeatedly and eventually banned or I will be removed as a moderator,I won't sit back and watch you ruin another discussion board with your Adolf Hitler views.
Palladin Wrote:I think Iran and militant Shiites benefit the most and for your information as a moderator,I am already SICK of your use of ZIONISM as a fig leaf for your neo Nazi views and as such hear this,you will be edited repeatedly and eventually banned or I will be removed as a moderator,I won't sit back and watch you ruin another discussion board with your Adolf Hitler views.


So your argument is that Iran blew up a shrine, also holy to them, against shia brethren to create civil war that may kills tens of thousands of innocent people?

Do you even understand what Zionism is? Don't even understand that there are huge numbers of jew against zionism or that I am actively engaged in dialog with jews?


http://www.nkusa.org/
Otto=OsManli=TruthOut, I referred to your own web site links to refute your own claims. How lame.
WmLambert Wrote:Otto=OsManli=TruthOut, I referred to your own web site links to refute your own claims. How lame.

You haven't refuted anything. British SAS agents were caught REd handed attempting to perform terrorist operations and make it seem that "Ay-rab terrorists" did it.
Except that your own web sites specifically stated that they were not sure that they were British SAS. Sheer speculation. You stand refuted.
WmLambert Wrote:Except that your own web sites specifically stated that they were not sure that they were British SAS. Sheer speculation. You stand refuted.

If they weren't some sort of british agents, what were they? why did the British military violently attempt to rescue they without Iraqi permission? Why did they have bombs, weapons, remote control devices that can be used in terrorist activity?

Maybe they were santa's helpers?
Let's see, No one identifies them as British... neither the ones captured nor the ones who allegedly broke them out. They looked like terrorosts, had terrorist weapons, but you are all-knowing - clairvoyant in the face of opposing facts.
WmLambert Wrote:Let's see, No one identifies them as British... neither the ones captured nor the ones who allegedly broke them out. They looked like terrorosts, had terrorist weapons, but you are all-knowing - clairvoyant in the face of opposing facts.

No, they were not british, they were from Cusbainia!

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?conte...icleId=990
What a foolish post. "mythical ‘al-Zarqawi’ and the alleged role of al-Queda"? Yeah real piece of work there.

Whacko post.
Truthout Wrote:
WmLambert Wrote:Otto=OsManli=TruthOut, I referred to your own web site links to refute your own claims. How lame.

You haven't refuted anything. British SAS agents were caught REd handed attempting to perform terrorist operations and make it seem that "Ay-rab terrorists" did it.
Ahem!

http://apnews.excite.com/article/2006022...PE5O1.html
Key al-Qaida in Iraq Figure Arrested

BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - Iraqi security forces announced on Monday the capture of a senior al-Qaida in Iraq figure, and the U.S. ambassador said the risk of civil war from last week's sectarian violence was over.

The captured al-Qaida figure was identified as Abou al-Farouq, a Syrian who financed and coordinated groups working for Iraq's most wanted terrorist, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, in the insurgent stronghold of Ramadi, according to an Interior Ministry officer who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to address the media.

Acting on a tip from residents, members of the Interior Ministry's Wolf Brigade captured al-Farouq with five other followers of al-Zarqawi near Bakr, about 100 miles west of Baghdad, the ministry said..........
interesting...
He argues that the "civil" war in Iraq would benefit the US to the detriment of mullahs.
Few illuminating quotes:
Quote:God helps drunks, small children, and the United States of America, the old saying goes. Someone is helping the United States in Iraq, although here it might not be God but rather the other fellow.
Quote:If Washington's soap-bubble pops, down goes Iran's ability to intimidate Washington.
Quote:Despite Iranian efforts to build up the capabilities of Shi'ite irregulars inside Iraq, the capabilities of the Sunni military caste remain formidable even after the dissolution of the Saddam Hussein regime, and the outcome of full-fledged civil war would be uncertain. Power within Iraq now is balanced the way the British intended it to be when they stitched together this Frankenstein monster of a country after World War I.
Quote:Resistance to gradual Iranization comes from the Sunni military caste, not from foreign infiltrators, whose numbers and military capabilities both are overrated
etc...
I think it is a must read.

PS. I've put the word civil in quotes, because there is nothing civil in such a war.