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http://www.countercurrents.org/iran-whitney260106.htm

The Bush administration will never allow the Iranian government to open an oil exchange (bourse) that trades petroleum in euros. If that were to happen, hundreds of billions of dollars would come flooding back to the United States crushing the greenback and destroying the economy. This is why Bush and Co. is planning to lead the nation to war against Iran. It is straightforward defense of the current global system and the continuing dominance of the reserve currency, the dollar.
Why doesn't Venezuela open such a "bourse" then?

Or Mexico,or Canada,or SA or Iraq or Norway or The UK??
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/11-27b-04.asp


After Iraq it is Venezuela - the next oil confrontation between America and Euro Zone and this time a new super power coalition of India, China, Russia and Brazil makes the difference
Bourse huh. Does that mean squib isn't your favorite word anymore?
I have heard that is why we invaded Iraq - because Saddam Hussein refused to deal in dollars.

I've also heard that for the oil countries to switch over to euros has the potential to crash the U.S. economy.
Why else has the greenback lost 30% of its value since 9/11?.... and the right wing wingnuts said it would "help boost exports"..... more right wing myths and delusions.....
Anonymous24 Wrote:I have heard that is why we invaded Iraq - because Saddam Hussein refused to deal in dollars.

Yeap, this idiocy has been around for ages.

Its survival is particularly impressive given the current problems in the Eurozone.
Right, americans invaded and destroyed iraq because it had WMDs......

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Truthout Wrote:Right, americans invaded and destroyed iraq because it had WMDs......

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Yes, and time will prove that accusation to be entirely correct. More is about to come out about just this very thing.

I wonder what will happen as the evidence becomes overwhelming? Will there be a concession from the Kook fringe, or will it quietly be shelved and never spoken about, as if the redicule never happened?

I wonder which one will be the case? Wink1
John L Wrote:
Truthout Wrote:Right, americans invaded and destroyed iraq because it had WMDs......

:?

Yes, and time will prove that accusation to be entirely correct. More is about to come out about just this very thing.

I wonder what will happen as the evidence becomes overwhelming? Will there be a concession from the Kook fringe, or will it quietly be shelved and never spoken about, as if the redicule never happened?

I wonder which one will be the case? Wink1
Yea! This has gotta be him. Same old crap he's still spouting......doesn't read newspapers or anything but Truthout.Org and Demos Underground, yuh know. Wink1

However, getting responses from him is an improvement, if it is him. Maybe, there's hope......... :lol:
So are the right wing warmongers going to do a hocus-pokus and create the mythical WMDs that were suppose to be in iraq? Those darn pesky "mushroom cloud over NYC" making WMDs that miserable-condi talked about?

Ahh they must be in Syria!......

:roll:
This camper is one match short of a fire...one french fry short of a happy meal.....one slice of bread short of a sandwich, one leg short of a one legged stool. lol lol

Any other thoughts?
KenBean Wrote:This camper is one match short of a fire...one french fry short of a happy meal.....one slice of bread short of a sandwich, one leg short of a one legged stool. :lol: :lol:

Any other thoughts?

It's OsManli, the OsMan, under a new IP address. You remember him, don't you? the OsMan was our resident Islamic Kook for a while prior to being banned. I wonder how long the "powers that be" will keep him here?
I never minded OsManli because he was so beatable in open debate.

Sardonic put-downs are his stock-in-trade, and when you don't accept erroneous statements, the sardonic wit falls on its face. Those who have no real data invent pseudo arguments based on emotionally laden rhetoric. If a kindergartener takes the time to dissect this sort of argument it will fall apart.

I see several instances of recurrent untruthful wishful thinking that always bites him in the end. One is that Bush is stupid. Another is that he is too smart and works incredibly complicated conspiracies that cannot be penetrated. One is that he is controlled by his cabinet, another is that he sets personal agendas that no one can deflect him from (like attacking Iraq). One is that the economy is in dire straits. Two years later, we have the best economy of all time, low unemployment, and low interest rates. One is that the Euro will replace the Dollar as the deFacto exchange basis of the world. Now the Euro is in Free Fall, and only an idiot would propose putting oil eggs in a Euro basket.

Iraq is being handled brilliantly by Condi and Bush. Has anyone noticed the incipient Caliph of the world willingly accepting a blockade of imported refined oil? All bluster.

Wait and see.
Why was he banned before?
OsManli was one of two past members that I thought of when I started seeing posts by Truthout. The other was of course Taste o' Truth who, if I recall correctly, kept coming back in many different incarnations. I haven't taken the time to compare posting habits and content to see which he is closer to.
Anonymous24 Wrote:Why was he banned before?

YOu need to go back via membership and dig up his posts. They are illuminative. He is a very interesting Islamic Kook. After leaving here, he moved over to the Bear Pit, where he resided as a perfect example of what Muslims should NOT be like. Phil, the owner, allowed him remain there as an example, until he simply became too much to handle.

The same thing happened here. Since he has been banned at the Pit, he has returned. Anyway, the administration here has changed somewhat, so he will probably be allowed to pollute the site further.

I always found him to be a barrel of fun, and when he became too boring, I simply ignored him.

I wish we had an "ignore" capability here as with the Pit's software package.
DavidR Wrote:OsManli was one of two past members that I thought of when I started seeing posts by Truthout. The other was of course Taste o' Truth who, if I recall correctly, kept coming back in many different incarnations. I haven't taken the time to compare posting habits and content to see which he is closer to.

Saddamy was the true giveaway. He does it so often that he let it slip. No matter how much some try, it is simply impossible to change old habits.
Why get rid of the more radical members, though? Even if they don't present particularly compelling arguments, surely they must be fun to argue with and may attract people to the site. For instance back in the day more than a few people came here from "It's All Politics" simply to argue with Baldar...
To a point that can be tolerable. I don't recall the exact circumstances leading up to OsManli's expulsion from this board, but I do recall that he liked to disrupt threads where other members were having serious debates, usually because no one would take his latest conspiracy theory seriously. It is one thing for him to start his own threads to discuss his latest conspiracy theory. It can be quite another to continuously inject a discussion of one into another discussion. That's not to mention the incessant ad hominum attacks that he insisted in engaging in.
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