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Stratfor Wrote:The final results of the Palestinian legislative elections released Jan. 26 show that Hamas has won 76 seats and Fatah has won 43 seats in the 132-body parliament.

Something to do with the Ricist promotion of democracy perhaps?
The blood fueds are so layered and crosshatched there, I don't see a peaceful solution short of Jesus' Second Coming. (sigh)

The best we can hope for I think is a "cool war".
Bean
KenBean Wrote:The blood fueds are so layered and crosshatched there, I don't see a peaceful solution short of Jesus' Second Coming. (sigh)

The best we can hope for I think is a "cool war".
Bean
'fraid you are correct, Bean. It's all sounds so.........prophetic. My fear is that the lunatics in their fervor will nuke each other and create the worldwide eternal winter, communications will break down, civilization will become unraveled, etc. God, please help us.
That bush doctrine of democratizing the middle east is really working great!
WOWZA!
Don't you get it, neocons.
If you give get them to the polls, they will just vote for terrorists.
The whole doctrine is a complete SHAM.
I like that policy,side with tin horned dictators that are "our bastards".

Coming from a leftist.

Can anyone here say hypocrite?
Quote:The whole doctrine is a complete SHAM.
Why?
Please, consider likely scenario:
1. Hamas wins (already done) and forms the gov.
2. Since they do not recognize "Zionist entity" they will not stop their "operations" and continue their happy ways.
3. Israel and USA do formally recognize their sovereignty over the territories.

Next there are 2 possible developments: rational and irrational.
First, high probability irrational one - Israeli, US and everyone else will continue to appease as nothing happen. In this case, what the diff. from present situation?
Second, very low probability (for now) rational one - start beating them up with the goal to achieve an unconditional surrender (a la WWII).

For the next 5-10 years I do expect the continuation of the first. However, after some bloody outrage on the scale of 911 or bigger that is bound to happen during this time frame (thanks to the status quo), the second.
Palladin Wrote:I like that policy,side with tin horned dictators that are "our bastards".

Coming from a leftist.

Can anyone here say hypocrite?
You are putting words in my mouth.
I never said that, in any way.
Just that the bush doctrine will not work.
The people of the Middle East when they vote today will vote for terrorists.
So THAT is NOT the answer!
Quote:The people of the Middle East when they vote today will vote for terrorists.
This is correct. It was the same with Germans voting for fuhrer, and Japanese voting....pardon me, admiring their emperor. Both got attitude adjustment. The same will eventually happen in the ME.
Palladin Wrote:I like that policy,side with tin horned dictators that are "our bastards".

Coming from a leftist.

Can anyone here say hypocrite?

The issue is not TQ being a leftist; this did not put HAMAS in power.

The issue is Bush being a leftist. If he ever was a neocon (==a jew, according to most leftist sites), he has not been one for quite a while.
One of the woman parliamentarians who won a seat for Hamas has no experience in politics and no education, she won her seat because she has sent three of her six sons on suicide missions. It kind of made me wonder about the qualifications of other parliamentarians. If they are anything close to her level of (in)competency, what kind of hopes Palestinians can have for peace?
How can Israel even think about peace negotiations with a group like that?
Once Hamas constitutes the formal government of Palestine, Israel will be justified in declaring war against Palestine. Before, they could only stage raids directed at factions within Palestine. In a sense then, this makes it easier for Israel.
Ron Lambert Wrote:In a sense then, this makes it easier for Israel.
If they (Israelies) will not blow it up (as usual).
Quote:Don't you get it, neocons.
If you give get them to the polls, they will just vote for terrorists.
The whole doctrine is a complete SHAM.

So shrill. S2 Can you shatter glass like that? :lol:

Not a sham but overly optimistic. Bush believes the everyone wants peace and prosperity if they have a chance. He's wrong. The Palestinians are savages and can only be dealt with as such. Elections are the same as coups to them, the strongest savage wins.

Ron made the best point, now that Hamas is the legal governing entity, they are subject to all the rules.

Sharon is looking smarter every month for finishing the wall and pulling out of Gaza.
Before the election, if there was a Palestinian state the PLO or whoever would get political seats. Now that Hamas is the officially recognized government of the Palestinians, they will get political power over a fuctioning state. This may make them rethink the 'destroy Israel' thing.
Welcome Back Anon! S6
Welcome back Anon,

Anonymous24 Wrote:Before the election, if there was a Palestinian state the PLO or whoever would get political seats. Now that Hamas is the officially recognized government of the Palestinians, they will get political power over a fuctioning state. This may make them rethink the 'destroy Israel' thing.

Consider: The last time fundamentalist Sunnis got political power was the Taliban movement in Afghanistan.
Thaq,

If you ridicule the Bush Doctrine,which is nothing but the same doctrine the USA has applied everywhere BUT the middle east since 1945,that means you oppose Muslims voting for their leaders.

It goes with the territory. Live with your ideas.

Yes,in some cases they elect terrorists as Iranains did in 1980 and Palestinians in 2005. BUT,who in the region loves Americans today?? Iranian youth.

Because we left them alone to make their errors,they've lived with mullah rule and are sickened by it. They now love us.

Yes,we will suffer the votes and HATRED of delusional Islam for about 25 years,but if we do as you desire,we will suffer it forever. They blame us for their corrupt leadership,even though it's not factual.

You stick with your "our bastard" policy,it is untenable at this time in human history anyway,we don't have the POWER in the information age to have "our bastard",we tried it via Chalabi and the Iraqis saw right through it.
What this means is that Israeli-Palestine violence can't neccesarily be considered an issue of terrorism anymore - it's a classical state to state conflict.
The Israelis were already fighting it like it was a state-to-state conflict, well before this election. They invaded the West Bank... with tanks... remember?
Fatah was allowed because Arafat made the pretense of civility. Hamas has no constraints and is outside the Euro or US acceptability. This means no more funding from Europe or the U.S.

No Arab or Persian country has stepped forward to help. The 7,500 Israeli settlers were the heart of Gaza. The greenhouses were handed over to the Palestinians with detailed instructions of how to nurse sustenance out of the desert, but the new occupants refused to admit they weren't as clever or advanced as the settlers and completely destroyed all the infrastructure left to them with the best of intentions by the settlers.

No oil, no food, no future.
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