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Its the Demography, Stupid - by Mark Steyn

Probably posting this a bit late......

...but he is good as usual. S1
Thanks for the article 4u
Our demographic shift here in Texas is hispanic/native American, but real nevertheless.
Bean
Wow that puts everything into perspective. You see why I oppose abortion. Its not that I want to control a women's body but her decision impacts all of our country. The numbers game is always the best strategy for security. Here in NYC you are safer walking at night if you are in numbers than if you're by yourself. Criminal gangs here know this and the cowards always attack in numbers never one on one. There is safety in numbers.
KenBean Wrote:Thanks for the article 4u
Our demographic shift here in Texas is hispanic/native American, but real nevertheless.
Bean

Is "American Culture" still dominant, or have you guys moved to a more Hispanic culture?

As Mark Pointed it out, its not what race someone is, its whether the people replacing you will carry on the culture, or replace it.
I suspect that the length of the article has kept far too many from actually reading it.

Patrick would definately feel vindicated here.

However, I still think that Europe will get it's act together in the near future. I have noted somewhere that Fox News has reported that the youth of Europe are finally starting to reembrace Christianity. IF the trend continues, the demographic problem will finally turn around, and the threat of it's demise and it's surrender to Islam will be a nonissue.
4u
We have been "TexMex" for a very long time...probably since day one.

Quietly in person, most hispanics here appreciate sincerely a "government" that is not corrupt. Where they come from that is not the case.

...As a group, hard working, thrifty, a great deal of dignity.
Ken
KenBean Wrote:4u
We have been "TexMex" for a very long time...probably since day one.

Quietly in person, most hispanics here appreciate sincerely a "government" that is not corrupt. Where they come from that is not the case.

...As a group, hard working, thrifty, a great deal of dignity.
Ken

Ken, that is not what the article is about. YOu really need to take the time and read it. It is very good, and worth your time.
Well John I read the article before posting. The guy made a LOT of very serious points.

Counterpoint I was making is that here in Texas we are sort of insulated from muslim population shift, but not from demographic shift.

Reproductive strategies shift with economic circumstances intergenerationally...or is that too much of an intuitive leap from the article?

Modern anglo Texans ...fewer eggs, larger segment endowment of resources for each.

Texan hispanic...more eggs, smaller pie slices for each as a result.

Ken
John L Wrote:...the youth of Europe are finally starting to reembrace Christianity.

Religion makes it worse. I am embarrassed to see in what way christian values are being reintroduced. See an example.
COS Wrote:
John L Wrote:...the youth of Europe are finally starting to reembrace Christianity.

Religion makes it worse. I am embarrassed to see in what way christian values are being reintroduced. See an example.
This is just one example, and a negative one, of what are Christian values. Compared to Islam, this one is a mere inconvenience at the worst. This is no comparison at all. Shock
COS Wrote:
John L Wrote:...the youth of Europe are finally starting to reembrace Christianity.

Religion makes it worse. I am embarrassed to see in what way christian values are being reintroduced. See an example.

I can't see what you are talking about COS. What does all that scrawling on the way have to do with Christianity?
SoloNav Wrote:This is just one example, and a negative one, of what are Christian values. Compared to Islam, this one is a mere inconvenience at the worst. This is no comparison at all. Shock

Yes, the terrible Islam. Journalists asked former slovenian mufti (for 1% of citizens that are muslims) how many (ethnic) Slovenians converted to islam. He said he knows 2 cases. Meanwhile, christan values (check the percentage of christinas in the link I provided) were/are forced by several laws to all.

You are right, no comparison at all.
John L Wrote:I can't see what you are talking about COS. What does all that scrawling on the way have to do with Christianity?

Mixing religion and demography is a cheap way for political parties to flex muscles prior elections. In reality, laws based on any kind of religious values suck big time (at least in a country with separated religion and state).

The law about closed shops on sundays was supported by christians because

- even God had a day of rest
- so that people would spend quality time with their families
- use the time to multiply and divert the ever lower birth rate
COS, why are you such an unhappy camper lately?
It is unfortunate,but MANY of we Christians are insanely removed from the GUIDANCE God has offered us via Scripture.

Not shopping on Sunday(or working or whatever) is 1 of the many fallacious ideas we arrive at because we ignore God's Word after salvation.

I just read where Alec Baldwin's little brother has entered The Body of Christ and I am thankful for it. Having said this,he is embarrassing himself by attempting to contain the moral choices of people other than himself in NYC area. I have relatives like this.

The Bible is a large volume of work that can guide us into wisdom,God's wisdom or otherwise we will be guided by our own ideas and satan's. Most Christians ignore God's Word after salvation and we suffer because of it as do those in association with us.

Cos' example is 1 of many.
Ah yes, Athiests have much better morals.
I am sorry, but believing in Christ would not save Western civilizations (and Russia). According to my lights - I heard a Mr. Huttington (sp?) quotation that the US will have only 60% of Whites by 2020. What will happen then? Further?

How about Francis Fukuyama? He said in the 90s that history came to end because democracy is the ultimate order and nothing better could be ever concieved. Seems like his idea faded a lot. I hope Mr. Steyn ideas will fade as soon as we get strong evidence of Muslims successfully assimilated into Liberal World and Free Market. Wink1
Green Wrote:I am sorry, but believing in Christ would not save Western civilizations (and Russia). According to my lights - I heard a Mr. Huttington (sp?) quotation that the US will have only 60% of Whites by 2020. What will happen then? Further?

How about Francis Fukuyama? He said in the 90s that history came to end because democracy is the ultimate order and nothing better could be ever concieved. Seems like his idea faded a lot. I hope Mr. Steyn ideas will fade as soon as we get strong evidence of Muslims successfully assimilated into Liberal World and Free Market. Wink1

The reason why Christianity has such importance here is that, like it or not, the very principles of morality are the halmark of it's base. And these moral hallmarks are thousands of years old, and eliminating the importance of Christianity helps to eventually undermine this base in general society very base. If you do not see what has been happening within the last century, you are not studying history.

Wheter or not you believe in the Messiah if up to you, but failing to respect or encourage it, is self-destructive.

Sorry, but that is why it is such an important thing.
You are idealist, John L, and you have just proven it once again. You put the cart before the horse. This is not ideology that moves the masses, but their social being.
Please, don't start harp on that America is so great because it is so puritan, because it's not true. I watch Hollywood stuff too and I can see all the reasons and consequences of se.xual revolution that started in America as soon as the country became industrial society.
Then why is it that Americans of all races propagate more then Europeans?
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