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And now for something totally unexpected:

UPI: Spain arrests top general

Quote:MADRID, Spain (UPI) -- Spanish Defense Minister Jose Bono has ordered the arrest of the commander of the army after he suggested using military force against the region of Catalonia.

Lt. Gen. Jose Mena Aguado was placed under house arrest over the weekend after he said that the military would step in if the government granted greater autonomy to the northern region.

Mena said there would be 'serious consequences' to such a move, El Mundo newspaper reported Monday.

In September, Catalan regional government approved a new statute referring to Catalonia as a country and gives the province greater control of its judiciary and tax collection.

and I thought that the EU was an exemplary superpower...not a banana republic...
So........why is Catalonia being Catalonia bad?
Gunnen4u Wrote:So........why is Catalonia being Catalonia bad?

I guess some Spanish do not feel like breaking up their country.

Several times, JohnL advocated the thesis that eventually all countries will break down to their national elements (or something similar); he might have been right about Europe: National tensions are obviously on the rise.
Yea, it was in the Cossack's thread. I remember it too.

Next, it will be the people of Breton in France. I'd like to see them put down another insurrection. :lol:
mv Wrote:National tensions are obviously on the rise.

At the same time the EU is trying to federlize more.

This will be much of the EU's doom in the future.
Gunnen4u Wrote:
mv Wrote:National tensions are obviously on the rise.

At the same time the EU is trying to federlize more.

No longer. EU integration process effectively stopped and may go into the reverse. Meanwhile, the nationalist tendencies suppressed for so long should come into open.
mv Wrote:
Gunnen4u Wrote:So........why is Catalonia being Catalonia bad?

I guess some Spanish do not feel like breaking up their country.

Several times, JohnL advocated the thesis that eventually all countries will break down to their national elements (or something similar); he might have been right about Europe: National tensions are obviously on the rise.

Lowest Common Functional Denominator. It's just like basic math.
Well,Spain I guess is seeing the final breathe of the "Turkish model".
Quote:Lowest Common Functional Denominator. It's just like basic math.
So why are Empires getting created? Multiplicative paranoia for sure.
Green Wrote:
Quote:Lowest Common Functional Denominator. It's just like basic math.
So why are Empires getting created? Multiplicative paranoia for sure.

They get created and then come crashing down.

One reason why the US remained stable for so long is that it did not create overseas empires and assimilated acquired territories. Still, if we are to believe John, a breakup is coming; perhaps the initial successor states will be Blue, Red, and Atzlan, all to be further broken in due time.

By 2100, we will see China as the largest single nation, and 1000 ministates elsewhere. Wink1
MV,

John's "break down" thesis is based on the logic that the growth of nation states was predicated on investment and the need to protect huge investment during the industrial age and now that the Information age is on us,we will see breakdown due to the lack of need to protect huge investments.

I find the logic flawed. The USA had the desire,sort of intangible,but had the desire,to become the continental force it did BEFORE the industrial age when 90% of us were still FARMERS in the agricultural age.

I bet other nations did as well. One could use Germany as an example to back up that thesis.

I reject it entirely,I think MY country is more than a bunch of money grubbers and this theory relies on that being all we are.

Information technology can assist a people who need information to make a decision which COULD lead to break up of a national entity,but not unless the need was already there.

America will break up when people like you and I decide we have NOTHING in common anymore,not until then,John's theory be dam.ned.
MV,

John's "break down" thesis is based on the logic that the growth of nation states was predicated on investment and the need to protect huge investment during the industrial age and now that the Information age is on us,we will see breakdown due to the lack of need to protect huge investments.

I find the logic flawed. The USA had the desire,sort of intangible,but had the desire,to become the continental force it did BEFORE the industrial age when 90% of us were still FARMERS in the agricultural age.

I bet other nations did as well. One could use Germany as an example to back up that thesis.

I reject it entirely,I think MY country is more than a bunch of money grubbers and this theory relies on that being all we are.

Information technology can assist a people who need information to make a decision which COULD lead to break up of a national entity,but not unless the need was already there.

America will break up when people like you and I decide we have NOTHING in common anymore,not until then,John's theory be dam.ned.
Patrick, whatever are you dribbling on about? You did not even come close to what I was saying.

Anyway, have a nice weekend. Wink1
The word, "Damned", is allowed here.
The devolution of nation states begs the question of whether the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. As I stated in other topics, mankind started as a gregarious hunter-gatherer who invented civilization to better his situation.

This doesn't stop because one sect or another hiccups into a drive for hegemony.