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Quote:North Korea missile test: Latest launch ‘blew up almost immediately’
by FoxNews  |  published on April 16, 2017

A North Korean missile fired from the east coast of the country Sunday “blew up almost immediately,” officials said.
The U.S. Pacific Command said the missile, which came near the city of Sinpo, “blew up almost immediately,” but the type of missile was still being assessed.

The failure came one day after Pyongyang celebrated one of the biggest propaganda events of the year – the 105th birthday of the late North Korea founder Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Un’s grandfather.

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May I suggest that Kim Jong-un was so desperate for some kind of aggressive demonstration the day after the big celebration of the birthday of North Korea's founder, that he ordered the missile be launched, even though technicians and advisors may have warned that they weren't ready. This will be another straw added to the load on the camel's back. Military leaders have got to be getting pretty tired of Kim Jong-un making their nation look ridiculous.
NYT credits the Obama Administration.  Go figure eh?  If it's remotely true, they've managed to leak (what should really be a Top Secret) a critical U.S. cyber warfare program.  The loss of which will complicate and degrade Trump's ability to deal effectively with NK.  ... Bonus!  I've often wondered if those on the left actually had scales over their eyes.  Something like this makes me begin wonder how thick and firmly attached they are.
We don't have the ability to handle NK w/o mass casualties. That's why Trump's public, childish belligerence is going to get a million people killed if we don't watch out.
Palladin, how many millions of people will be killed if Kim Jong-un is left unrestrained, and allowed to unleash a firestorm of missiles and artillery on the city of Seoul, South Korea? Not to mention using a nuclear warhead, which they could do. They could even reach Japan. People who pay intelligent attention to history have noted that appeasement always in every case encourages further aggression--it never deters it. It is the attempt at appeasement that is childish.
Ron,

I can't answer that question. I can answer that any attack on NK means hundreds of thousands if not millions of South Koreans and Japanese dead.

They have a right to decide to make war on this guy, we don't. IF they want to do it, I'm for helping them. This guy has made it clear he will be willing and it appears capable of mass murder of his neighbors.

But, it's their call, not our's.
(04-16-2017, 04:56 PM)Ron Lambert Wrote: [ -> ]It is the attempt at appeasement that is childish.

The updated term is "strategic patience".  It's probably more indolent than childish.  It took zero effort ... and accomplished absolutely nothing other than kicking the can down the road to the next guy.  Trump may have accomplished more in one two hour conversation with Xi Jinping than anything that's been done in the couple of decades or last three Administrations.  It isn't the U.S. that's massed 150K troops on NKs border, that would be the Chinese.  And all it cost was the criticism of a flip flop from backing off on a pledge to label China a currency manipulator.  As deals go, that seems like a pretty cheap price tag ... and all it took was a little effort.
Yohan Wrote:
(04-16-2017, 07:21 PM)Palladin Wrote: [ -> ]I  can't answer that question. I can answer that any attack on NK means hundreds of thousands if not millions of South Koreans and Japanese dead.

They have a right to decide to make war on this guy, we don't. IF they want to do it, I'm for helping them. This guy has made it clear he will be willing and it appears capable of mass murder of his neighbors.

But, it's their call, not our's.

I have no idea how you come to the conclusion that 'any attack on NK' will result in 'hundreds of thousands if not millions of South Koreans and Japanese dead'.

I think what he means is that with all of the thousands of artillery trained on the South, any attack on the North would immediately trigger a response that would be almost impossible to counter immediately.   Almost all of that firepower would have a hard time reaching downtown Seoul, but the northern outskirts would be vulnerable.  

Having been stationed along the DMZ, and traveled up and down what we called the 'Bowling Alley' many times, I was aware of the closeness of Seoul to the North, but it still is far enough away that it would not be devastated as many assume.  

The ROKs mean business and don't take the threat from the North lightly either.  Unless the NKs are super-human they would have a terrible time rolling over the ROKs.
Yohan, I'm terribly sorry, but I accidentally screwed up your post, thinking I was answering you. What can I say? S4
I saw an interview on FNC where Trump confirmed that he informed the president of China that he had launched the missile strike against the Syrian air field during desert (which he said was chocolate cake). Xi Jinping asked his interpreter to repeat what he had just said. Trump then said that Xi agreed that anyone who uses gas against children deserves to be attacked, and he was OK with what Trump had done. That is encouraging, at least as far as it goes. The moves since then by China against North Korea (like sending their coal-carrying cargo ships back to the DPRK) seem to indicate that China is doing more than just talking now.

John, just so you won't complain about the acronym, DPRK of course means "Democratic People's Republic of Korea." Which is North Korea. Contrasted to the ROK, or "Republic of Korea," which means South Korea. (Isn't it funny how all the nations that describe themselves as "Democratic People's" are never really governed by the people by means of any sort of meaningful democratic vote?)

I still expect to see an effort by the military to depose Kim Jong-un. In the past year or so, he has already had a handful of generals executed. So it may have already been tried. It will probably be tried again, as he keeps providing more and more reasons to get rid of him.
Yohan knows about the 10,000 artillery tubes aimed at Seoul, but, NK has atomic weapons and Japan could be hit with them as well.

It's an impossible situation and we have a 3rd rate sit com clown as commander in chief of the US military.

Here's a reasonably accurate rendering of NK history:

(04-17-2017, 10:43 AM)Palladin Wrote: [ -> ]...and we have a 3rd rate sit com clown as commander in chief of the US military...

The Hildabeest didn't win the election.
I know, that's why I said what I did. She's a goof, but, she's got more judgment than Trump. He might screw around and get a million people killed in a few days and he wouldn't care if it didn't hurt him, IMO.
(04-17-2017, 07:10 PM)Palladin Wrote: [ -> ]I know, that's why I said what I did. She's a goof, but, she's got more judgment than Trump. He might screw around and get a million people killed in a few days and he wouldn't care if it didn't hurt him, IMO.

I do not agree Patrick. The Beast would have been on a mission to prove to the world that she was the baddest thing on wheels. Trump would not have held a candle to her, because she would make Machiavelli look tame. Shock

And she's certainly not a 'goof'. If anybody deserves the "E" word, she may well be the one. And if he got a million people killed, I shutter to contemplate what she could accomplish. The truth is that you should be thankful the lessor of two "you know whats" got elected, which did not include the Beast. Think logically!
Well, you might be right there. I agree she would have been more aggressive with Syria, I doubt she would be going around telling NK to get right or die though.

Syria can't defend herself against our military, NK can.

Hillary is smart enough to know what they can do. Trump probably is now that he's been told, but, I don't think he would hesitate to do whatever he wants even if the congress refused to back him and it killed a million people.

The senate ought to be letting the numbskull know they'll vote guilty if the house impeaches him for making war w/o authorization again. It's past time we pretend to follow that constitution.
(04-17-2017, 09:12 PM)Palladin Wrote: [ -> ]The senate ought to be letting the numbskull know they'll vote guilty if the house impeaches him for making war w/o authorization again. It's past time we pretend to follow that constitution.

Agreed! S22
(04-17-2017, 08:17 AM)John L Wrote: [ -> ]Yohan, I'm terribly sorry, but I accidentally screwed up your post, thinking I was answering you.  What can I say?  S4

This is not really a problem, I can reconstruct somehow what I wrote.

Taiwan, South Korea and also Japan are considering China as more dangerous than North Korea on the long run.

North Korea can exist only in the present form as long as China agrees with that situation.

North Korea has a strange policy, the government keeps it 'artificially poor' and its citizens 'misinformed', so nobody from abroad is interested to accept the challenge of reconstructing it to a more international level.

South Koreans themselves often consider North Korea as a different country and the best solution - especially financially - for them is to have nothing to do with it.

Many expected North Korea to follow economically China, open it, creating a wealthy country between China/South Korea/Russia/Japan, but so far nothing happened.

It is not clear if Kim Jong-Un 김정은 is still really in power or if somebody from behind tells him what to do and not to do.
He looks sometimes to be more like a 'prisoner' himself.

About Japan, luckily we are a bit away and nobody is here afraid of North Korea. 
It is not clear if its weapons, including nuclear weapons are in any operable state. Most of those tests were ending somewhere in the Japanese Sea.

All what we see about NK airforce, NK-navy, NK-artillery etc. is from Russian history and we cannot ignore the persistent food shortage, a lack of general tools, a lack of producing electricity and so on.

The Japanese military is not so small and not defenseless. 
You might add also the US-presence next to Japan and South Korea - not really for combat but at least as a good supplier if Japan or South Korea need something.

So what is the problem? Just wait and see.... about the same situation since the end of the Korean War. Nothing really new with that.
(04-17-2017, 10:43 AM)Palladin Wrote: [ -> ]Yohan knows about the 10,000 artillery tubes aimed at Seoul, but, NK has atomic weapons and Japan could be hit with them as well.

Yes, maybe, he can hit something, somewhere in Japan too, but this would be his last nonsense.

Seoul might be hit badly by surprise, but in case something is really seriously damaged in South Korea or in Japan, there will be immediately a military response in return and expect all his rocket launch sites, airports and other major targets, especially in Pyongyang, to be totally destroyed within a few days.

No, he is not risking this little bit of comfort which is still available - at least for him and some others in power - in North Korea to be totally destroyed.

Seoul is not far away from Pyongyang, but Pyongyang is also not far away from the South Korean border.

The only unclear issue is who is now really in control of North Korea? Kin Jong-Un? He alone? I don't think so, he has maybe less to say in politics as we might think.
Who are all these advisers next to him? How powerful are they?
Seoul is who is in dire straits. They can hammer the city with artillery hidden in mountains across the DMZ and it would take a hellacious effort to shut it down.

We cannot assume NK's rockets can't travel 500 miles, that would be underestimating the enemy here. I assume the US is positioning Patriot batteries in Japan's west coast just in case this thing gets hot.
(04-17-2017, 10:26 AM)Ron Lambert Wrote: [ -> ]I still expect to see an effort by the military to depose Kim Jong-un. In the past year or so, he has already had a handful of generals executed. So it may have already been tried. It will probably be tried again, as he keeps providing more and more reasons to get rid of him.

We don't know if Kim Jong-Un 김정은 is really in power. I am not sure at all about that.

Any North Korean solution has to be managed and guided by China - but so far, Chinese tourists are walking around in North Korean cities, visafree, North Korean borders remain open for the Chinese. As long as there is no harsh dispute China/North Korea nothing will happen, it will continue as it is now. For how long? Maybe over decades... nobody knows.

China is sending any North Korean person who wants to leave back to North Korea instead transferring him or her to South Korea or to Japan. 
South Korea and Japan will take them without any precondition, even pay for their transfer.

But China sends them back to North Korea. That's really bad.

As long as China backs up the North Korean government even in humanitarian issues.... what can we do?
(04-17-2017, 10:07 PM)Palladin Wrote: [ -> ]Seoul is who is in dire straits. They can hammer the city with artillery hidden in mountains across the DMZ and it would take a hellacious effort to shut it down.

You could say the same about Pyongyang, it could be bombed out easily by the South Korean airforce in return within one hour.

I agree however with your observation, that Seoul is not a good place for a capital.

I wonder if there was ever any consideration to move the capital away, for example to Taegu, Daejeon or even Pusan.
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