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To many ancient Greeks, Fred, especially the Athenians, women were to be quiet and closed up in private.

And no, I realize a lot of things are revisionist history, but looking through it, I still made those comments as I thought apropos.
This articles show that in is not Quran but ancient Greece traditions distinguishes homosexuality as active penetrator or passive penetrated.

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Quote:In classical antiquity, writers such as Herodotus,[1] Plato,[2] Xenophon,[3] Athenaeus[4] and many others explored aspects of same-sex love in ancient Greece. The most widespread and socially significant form of same-sex sexual relations in ancient Greece was between adult men and pubescent or adolescent boys, known as pederasty (marriages in Ancient Greece between men and women were also age structured, with men in their 30s commonly taking wives in their early teens). Though homosexual relationships between adult men did exist, at least one member of each of these relationships flouted social conventions by assuming a passive sexual role. It is unclear how such relations between women were regarded in the general society, but examples do exist as far back as the time of Sappho.[5]

The ancient Greeks did not conceive of sexual orientation as a social identifier as Western societies have done for the past century. Greek society did not distinguish sexual desire or behavior by the gender of the participants, but rather by the role that each participant played in the sex act, that of active penetrator or passive penetrated.[5] This active/passive polarization corresponded with dominant and submissive social roles: the active (penetrative) role was associated with masculinity, higher social status, and adulthood, while the passive role was associated with femininity, lower social status, and youth.[5]

Historical adult male couples

Among the historical male couples, where both partners were adults, are Pausanias of Athens and the tragic poet Agathon, already in his thirties. The legendary love between Alexander the Great and his childhood friend Hephaestion is sometimes regarded as being of the same order.
Wikipedia Wrote:The ancient Greeks did not conceive of sexual orientation as a social identifier as Western societies have done for the past century. Greek society did not distinguish sexual desire or behavior by the gender of the participants, but rather by the role that each participant played in the sex act
This view is so widespread and so late after the Greeks that I don't know if the Greeks are at the origin of that. I think it's rather an universal convention among primitive populations.
Like saying Greeks are at the origin of Western Democracy. ('course not)

Wikipedia Wrote:marriages in Ancient Greece between men and women were also age structured, with men in their 30s commonly taking wives in their early teens
Well.. they didn't know depilation at this time. So they had to take them before it became an urgent necessity.
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