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Can anyone tell me what is going through the minds of the central planners in PRC these days? Angola's Chinese-built ghost town.

And you can see a slide show of the construction site right here. This is stranger than just strange IMO.

Perhaps we need a special thread for Chinese oddities?

Oh, and is anyone really worried about China assuming a world leadership role any time soon?

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Angolia? You mean, Angola.

That looks pretty nice by African standards. Of course, the moment Africans move in, the place would be destroyed and a huge mess of murder, rape, and disease.

I dunno why the Chinese wasted money on anything in that continent.
It was probably built to house future Chinese colonists; China will probably take steps to slowly colonize most of Africa within the next ten years.
Ok, but what about all the ghost towns already in China, that PRC has already made? What are they for?

Isn't there something else at work here? And will these ghost towns show up in other countries too?

Oh and here's something else worth noting. Orientals are supposed to be big on creating areas that are beautiful, and pleasing to the eye. This would mean that lines would tend to flow, and not be straight, with sharp/squared corners. If you look at the town, all the streets are straight, and meet at ninety degree angles. There is nothing aesthetic about the town.

I wonder why they didn't bother having a two-tiered road system, where the main roads tended to be straight, but the inside/shorter roads being curved and flowing so as to break up the monotonous? If I was going to make a ready-made town, I would certainly want to build something that was pleasing to the eye. Wouldn't you?

And here is something else to think about. Were the people building the town Chinese, or were they Black Africans? Were the Chinese using this in order to just make work for their own citizens? There may be a lot of things to consider here.
Who cares about that tedious crap? They were building this in Africa -- do you really think they would go the distance with effort to make it *pleasing*?

Doubly so if they used African labor.
As for why they exist at all, the ghost towns, I am chalking it up to a bureaucratic oversight? Perhaps someone forgot to edit an order, or some moron read the paper wrong, etc. Who knows?
It's more logical to think they are there for Chinese settlements and the "renting" problem is on purpose. Angola probably is loaded with oil and they're preparing a serious presence to eventually start exploiting it.

I'd prefer southern Africa to the Arabian Peninsula or northern Africa if I had the option for large oil exports.
Yea, no one gives a shit about sub-Saharan Africa, plus, the locals are so downtrodden they might prefer anyone or anything that can develop the area for cash flow. Win-win for both parties perhaps.

The lack of religious context down there helps a lot too.
China is getting ready to change one child policy to 10 children policy, they are going to have a big population explosion in China and start colonizing other parts of the World.
It wouldn't shock me if they do colonize other areas in a "non official status". Look at how many ethnic Chinese already live outside China w/o a policy from the state.

They've got tons of investment, voracious appetite for oil, it sort of adds up.
You didn't read the article: It was build by the Angolan governement with a State-run Chinese company and it's being paid with oil.

If anyone should have his brain examined it's the Angolan planners.
I understand you can make poor investments in a foreign country but in your own country?
What were they thinking.

What's amazing is the size of the already build site. Whay didn't they try to sell a few blocks before building more?

And how did they expect to sell $200,000 flats to poeple making $2 a day? With a 548 years mortgage?

IMO African management is even worse than Chinese's.

Now let's see how many of these building will flip over...
(07-08-2012, 12:50 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: [ -> ]You didn't read the article: It was build by the Angolan governement with a State-run Chinese company and it's being paid with oil.

If anyone should have his brain examined it's the Angolan planners.
I understand you can make poor investments in a foreign country but in your own country?
What were they thinking.

What's amazing is the size of the already build site. Whay didn't they try to sell a few blocks before building more?

And how did they expect to sell $200,000 flats to poeple making $2 a day? With a 548 years mortgage?

IMO African management is even worse than Chinese's.

Now let's see how many of these building will flip over...

Fred, I've gone through several articles on this subject, and what I took away from your thinking, is a bit different. Correct me if I am wrong, but I distinctly got the impression that nobody was sure as to why, but thought that it Might be in payment over a possible future investment in oil. Nothing hard and definite, but just conjecture.
The cities shown are central planning at its best, whether Chicom or "Agnolian". Both in concept and architecture.

China has been trying sporadicly for years to get a foothold in Africa. I've not heard on many successes.

There must be an unspeakably large culture gap. There are 3 culture gaps: Angolan people to Angolan ruling class to Chicom ruling class.

Will the Angolans allow Chinese colonies? Today is not like times of the distant past where there were wide open spaces or colonization by force of arms. However perhaps the Angolan elite have their price.
If anyone wanted to get Africa under control, I think these days only the Chinese could do it. Why they would want to is beyond me.
Culturaly, this look more like a Chinese central planing idea than an african one.
So maybe john is right, the Chinese build it expecting to be paid in the future with oil.
For africans however paying later is similar to not paying at all.

Chinese are new to Africa.
And there is this: Decrepit: Four Years After Hosting the Beijing Olympics, This Is What China’s $40B Investment Looks Like. What's interesting is that they are good at building thing, but their Command system does what Command systems do best: Fail.