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...And how did we miss that here?

On Drudge today there is a TINY little blurb that says:

"Beijing coup rumors"

Quote:U.S. intelligence agencies monitoring China’s Internet say that from March 14 to Wednesday bloggers circulated alarming reports of tanks entering Beijing and shots being fired in the city as part of what is said to have been a high-level political battle among party leaders - and even a possible military coup.

The Internet discussions included photos posted online of tanks and other military vehicles moving around Beijing.

The reports followed the ouster last week of senior Politburo member and Chongqing Party Secretary Bo Xilai, who was linked to corruption, but who is said to remain close to China’s increasingly nationalistic military.

Chinese microblogging sites Sina Weibo, QQ Weibo, and the bulletin board of the search engine Baidu all reported “abnormalities” in Beijing on the night of March 19.

Don't know much about Chinese politics within the Communist party, but this is a pretty big deal I think. Could a more aggressive part of the party consolidate a hold on China with the aid of the military or will a more "moderate" element within China succeed? Is this the Chinese Spring?

Why isn't this being bandied about on the MSM? You'd think this was headline news.
Its probably not being 'bandied about' because very few have any concrete information on all this. The Chinese are very secretive about anything which could be viewed as weakness by outsiders.

Eventually this will come out, but it may take some time before it becomes common knowledge. I still believe that sooner or later the entire structure is going to come crashing down. I believe at one time I guessed that somewhere between 2030 and 2050, the province governors would probably declare independence and the country would split into several different countries. And I still believe it will be a top down revolution, rather than a bottom up one.
Most of the Chinese military leaders are likely to be conservative hard-liners, so I do not look for a liberalizing, pro-democracy change to come about because of the military.
Not just in China. Military's do not serve the role of societal upheaval.
Actually, most military do serve the society of which it is a part. There will always be factions - but the society is always reflected in it's military.
I don't think it's either surprising or worrying to see thanks, once in while, repressing a protest in a country of 1.3 billion.
We made a great case of Tien An Men, to finaly find out that China is the perfect cheap goods supplier for all of us.
(03-23-2012, 03:38 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think it's either surprising or worrying to see thanks, once in while, repressing a protest in a country of 1.3 billion.
We made a great case of Tien An Men, to finaly find out that China is the perfect cheap goods supplier for all of us.

Only for now Fred. Once China becomes richer, and the citizenry realize a higher standard of living, they will demand a higher standard-of-living/wages. All forms of CODB(cost of doing business) will tend to move them up the technology ladder. Then their productions costs will become too much, and business/industry will move to another place where products can be built cheaper.

Japan went through this, along with Taiwan and Korea.
That's why they are trying to boost their domestic market, to be less reliable to export. They know that one day they will be more expensive than another nation.

But they still have several years before it happens.
You don't move 1000 factories to another country that quickely. It took 20 years for them to populate the chinese industrial park. It will take 20 years again to move somewhere else if they move.
Moreover there is huge overcapacity in China right now, that means prices are going to stay low for a while.
Investors warry of this overcapacity are unlikely to build factories in a second China-styled low-wage paradise.

Also the global world is not infinite and you need more than just low wages to make a fortune off low cost production. You need a safe country where workers have a minimum of deucation and where there is a minimum of infrastructure and a supportive governement.
These conditions exclude already sub Saharian Africa (even south Africa) and Haiti, all asian muslim "stan" states, Syria, Iraq, Russia (not that cheap anyway), Venezuela, Myanmar, ...

Latino America, looks better but you will face the mafia cartels. Brasil and Argentina are already too developed.
Remains Indonesia, the Philipines, not immune from islamic insurgency neither.
Turkey and North Africa are already industrial partners for european companies, but there again there are islamists. Even if these muslim countries are relatively calm, it's not worth the hassel.

India? They are already outsourcing there.
If you count that India and China counts 2.4 billion poeple, there is still massive low wage work force available.

I don't know where else they could find an environement as good as in India and China.
Maybe some smaller countries with a unique situation.
Or populated by a people that can actually function well enough to perform such production tasks. I don't hold high hopes for much of Africa as an example.

Meanwhile, in America, everyone works low-level service jobs to buy more cheap plastic junk.
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No, it's true. That's all we're doing.
We sometimes fight over buying cheap plastic junk though, like on Black Fridays when the companies advertise a big sale to get people riled up over savings on buying junk - it's kind of like telling a dog he'll get a treat for a few moments before giving it to him when he gets in a frenzy. But we go back to our bullshit service jobs most of the year to save up for more cheap plastic junk in the end.
I stopped watching south park a few seasons back because I got tired of some of their lazy political alignments, but last weeks episode was pretty good. The home shopping network sold junk gold jewelry to old people who then gave it as gifts to family members. Those family members then sold their shitty jewelry to cash 4 gold type places. That gold was then melted down and then shipped to India where children would work the gold back into shitty jewelry. Then the home shopping network then bought the jewelry. Endless cycle of stupidity.
Looks like Hong-Kong and Mainlaind China have a lot of borderlines which are based in mentality:
Watch from 13:15. I wonder who will win? Is the third system possible?


"Cheap plastic goods"? Nice to hear all those laptops, cell phones, and other "tech toys" are being characterized correctly...now if we could only nationalize these purveyors of national coruption the problem would be solved!
Everything is all right in China.
Everybody is happy and fine with the current situation.

Indeed, the governement has deleted all the 210,000 posts about these rumors.

The calm returned ...on the internet.
China’s national highway system now surpasses the U.S.’ in length. The Chinese did it in a fraction of the time we took to build our Interstate Highway System that started back in 1956. The quality of their roads is top-notch.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/steveforbes/...capital-4/
Rather typical scene for China...
The crowd gets together real fast ready to injure a thieve for the sake of justice...The police isn't invited usually.
Has anyone heard of such things in Vietnam or Thailand?
(04-13-2012, 02:37 AM)Green Wrote: [ -> ]China’s national highway system now surpasses the U.S.’ in length. The Chinese did it in a fraction of the time we took to build our Interstate Highway System that started back in 1956. The quality of their roads is top-notch.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/steveforbes/...capital-4/

Remains to be seen if it's top-notch, and the speed doesn't suggest quality. The English build their highways 40cm thick, and that's blamed for the quite extensive damage they take in rain and winter. The traffic itself doesn't damage their roads, not enough load to do this. Germany builds the Autobahn between 55cm and 85cm thick, always with a 2,5% gradient sideways to drain rain, and with drainage pipes alongside to get rid of the water quickly, and to lower the ground-water level. Private contractors are checked thoroughly, a hole is drilled every couple of meters, and the core sample shows if the layers of material are up to the standard, if not, start over again.
I've seen brand new roads ruined by weather and traffic in as little as a week here in Thailand, looking like moonscapes. Corruption is my guess, contractors pay off the politicians who manage public money, and evade quality controls, or the politicians own companies who do the poor job themselves. I think that's how things are done in China as well.
I had the lenghty pleasure to admire highway building technologies in traffic-jammed repair sections in Germany.
On the right lane, where trucks are driving there is a 50 or 70 cm (two feet) layer of armed concrete beneath the asphalt. It's impressive.

Most of highway bcome deformed due to truck weight. Absent of a concret slab, it's unevitable.
But plastic chinese trucks are perhaps lighter than german's?
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