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I wonder if this action is taken to prevent a Military Coup?
Excerpt from Athen News :
Opposition parties have has reacted with outrage to the sacking of the country's military chiefs, calling it a bid to stack the armed forces with party loyalists before a possible government collapse over the country's debt crisis.
In a surprise move, on Tuesday evening the defence minister replaced the country’s top brass.
An extraordinary meeting of the Government Council of Foreign Affairs and Defence (Kysea), which comprises the prime minister and other key cabinet members, accepted Defence Minister Panos Beglitis' proposal that the following changes be made to army, navy and air force and the general staff:
• General Ioannis Giagkos, chief of the Greek National Defence General Staff, to be replaced by Lieutenant General Michalis Kostarakos
• Lieutenant General Fragkos Fragkoulis, chief of the Greek Army General Staff, to be replaced by lieutenant general Konstantinos Zazias
• Lieutenant General Vasilios Klokozas, chief of the Greek Air Force, to be replaced by air marshal Antonis Tsantirakis
• Vice-Admiral Dimitrios Elefsiniotis, chief of the Greek Navy General Staff, to be replaced by Rear-Admiral Kosmas Christidis
While the personnel changes took many members of the government and of the armed forces by surprise, officials described the changes as a long-planned move largely unrelated to political turmoil.
Governments have exerted tight control over the armed forces since the collapse of the junta in 1974. Army chiefs are often selected on the basis of party loyalty as part of a deeply-entrenched system of political patronage. The outgoing military leadership was appointed in August 2009 by the previous New Democracy government, just before the October general election were called.
The move to replace the military chiefs may have also been hastened by a Greek protest at austerity measures that halted a major national parade last week.
The annual military parade in the northern city of Thessaloniki is one of the most symbolic events in Greece's political calendar and it was the first time it had been cancelled.

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Kamil, the entire thing is becoming one Grand Farce after another. I suspect Greece's days in what is now known as the European Union, are about to end. The entire thing will also probably come crashing down before long.

Lord, What a Mess!
Is this a move to preclude a coup OR is this a move to develop the means for a coup?

Could the new chiefs be more willing to exercise military authority than the fired ones, force such and such to occur, get the bailout over and done with and return to elective governance a couple of years from now?
John and Palladin, a few Greek living in the USA told me that if military take-over does not happen soon, Communist party of Greece going to take over the government by free elections.
Then long term a military coup makes good logic, IMO.
I dont forsee communism working in a country that is already bankrupt.
Where will they get money? The bourgeoisie? If there are any left, they must be few and can flee.
The proletariat will just cannibalize itself.
(11-02-2011, 08:07 PM)Kamil Wrote: [ -> ]John and Palladin, a few Greek living in the USA told me that if military take-over does not happen soon, Communist party of Greece going to take over the government by free elections.

I totally agree with Dillo here. Unless the new rulers are willing to start murdering, or deporting at least half of the population, and starting over, there is no way they can even begin to get anywhere. Remember, Russia was a wealthy, yet backward, country when the Bolsheviks took control. It wasn't in debt up to its ear lobes, like Greece is.

If the Commies managed to skate in under total anarchy, and then democracy, they wouldn't be able to solidify control, short of the killing.

This may get to be better than watching a horror movie.

(11-02-2011, 09:21 PM)John L Wrote: [ -> ]Remember, Russia was a wealthy, yet backward, country when the Bolsheviks took control. It wasn't in debt up to its ear lobes, like Greece is.

Actually Russia was totally screwed up at the time Bolsheviks took control; it endured a six months period of rule by liberals that caused the state to simply disintegrate and opened the door for Bolsheviks.

I don't think the amount of debt mattered when everything was broken, but ok: in 1917 Russian debt was close to 50 billions, about 20% to external governments. How much is 1917's 50 billions in today's money? 500 billions? 5 trillions? (I actually don't know :oops: but this is ear lobes all right!)

Russia's debt at the time of the bolshvik revolution was so high that 75 years later poeple were asking money. They are still waiting.

So, yes Greece can face a similar thing: Where capitalism become non-functional, communism (or islamism or another barbarism) comes to replace it.
The communists are very powerful in Greece.

But I don't know if that was fear of cummunism or the fear of massive popular revolt or of anger from the military class against the politicians.

One thing is sure with the military reshuffle and the referandum proposal, Greek politician had to be very scary of unrest.
This isnt 1917.
A Communist government needs money like any other, probably more to pay for all the handouts. Some of this money comes from the bourgeoisie in the form of redistribution. The rich can place their assets elsewhere and/or flee. No big money for the reds to redistribute.
The commies can default on the debt and say "screw you" to the EU.
This will make Greece persona non grata in international finance. No cash incoming, plus no cash outgoing unless it is printed.
Über inflation, riots, economic cannibalism.


fear of cummunism (sic) is irrational. S6
Probably why Europe has a low fertility rate.
I am all in favor of cummunism.
Cum must be redistributed before it becomes too concentrated...
How about a T-shirt: "I'm a cummunist and proud?"

This is a money-making opportunity: Gah anyone with free time on their hands? Register cummunist.org, trademark the name, sell, sell, sell, and 30c of every $100 of profit to be send as royalties to the original cummunist, Fred.

And in spare time, publish The Cummunist Manifesto, and create a Young Cummunist League to compete with Boy Scouts....

Need a way to combine cummunist.org with corndog-jane.org.
Maybe a subdomain, cummunist.corndog-jane.org.
The cross marketing opportunities are vast.
They would just file bankruptcy like Lenin did in effect if they were communist.

Greece is a pretty small place population wise, if they did go communist I bet 25% of the Greeks would flee there and that 25% would be all the entrepreneurs among them.

It's really sad to see Greece, they were more powerful than the USA is at one time and their culture effected the globe for millenia before the modern era.
I will disagree. Out of chaos can arise communism quite easily, IMHO. The pitch will be egalitarian populism and "strong leadership" and the frantic populace may easily follow along.
True, communism could easily take over Greece. They are already socialist.
But communism is very expensive and they have no money. If they default they will have nothing.
Unlike 1917, we have a global interconnected economy run by capitalists. Even the Chinese have figured this out and have shifted to fascism.
I predict the global economic system would say "we dont take kindly to your kind 'round here" to Greece.
I don't think the Communists will worry about money. They will own everything. They will take over after the default when there is nothing except non financial assets and labor.
It does not matter what the reds think, the global interconnected economy worries about money.
And the global capitalists wont like having their investments in Greece seized by Vladimir Papadopoulos.
This aint 1917.
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