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How Big Pharma got Americans hooked on anti-psychotic drugs.

Is this the explanation for nearly 50% boy's approval rating? S7

Is it possible that companies like Pfizer represent a more serious security thread than AQ, Iranian nukes or Chinese economic growth?

Is the time approaching for an open season on zombies? S13
Hmmm, a simple search reveals the following:

Quote:James Ridgeway is Senior Washington Correspondent for MOTHER JONES, where he writes both articles for the magazine and a weekly web column on MotherJones.com.

Ridgeway also writes pieces for the GUARDIAN and COUNTERPUNCH, and collaborates on original short videos, available at RidgewayNg.com.

Substantial credentials for certain. S13
There is an obvious push to medicate all things and at times generate "things" to be medicated. There is currently a serious re-examination about the entire ADD, ADHD problem (does it really exist?) and the cure for them which is basically creating zombies with permanent psychological affects.

Just because these are lefty pubs doesn't mean they're always wrong.

Who here is so young they cannot recall the "hysterectomy" debacle of the 1970s?

Probably 85% of them were done for revenue only.
(07-13-2011, 05:18 PM)Palladin Wrote: [ -> ]Probably 85% of them were done for revenue only.

This is the interesting part.

Doing things for revenue is capitalism ... presumably good.

Creating whole markets of unnecessary (and often harmful) goods is an outgrowth of capitalism too, and I'm not sure this is a priori bad. If someone believes it is possible to make money by selling camel dung or Lasik, let him open a business and pay for the ads.

But then there is the 3rd level: when manufacturers, corrupt politicians and rogue "scientists" conspire to alter the culture and create billion dollar enterprises... we see this with behavioral modification drugs as in the linked articles, with indeed hysterectomies, with carbon credits, with fluorescent/LED lights, ethanol, etc etc. This needs to be fought.... and I'm not sure I'd feel bad about Pfizer et al driven into bankruptcy and the zombies left without their daily fixes.
(07-13-2011, 06:01 PM)mv Wrote: [ -> ]But then there is the 3rd level: when manufacturers, corrupt politicians and rogue "scientists" conspire to alter the culture and create billion dollar enterprises... we see this with behavioral modification drugs as in the linked articles, with indeed hysterectomies, with carbon credits, with fluorescent/LED lights, ethanol, etc etc. This needs to be fought.... and I'm not sure I'd feel bad about Pfizer et al driven into bankruptcy and the zombies left without their daily fixes.

You're sounding like John Kenneth Galbraith - a 21st century version, maybe.
What we're going to have to do, we conservative types, is to forget the previous paradigm. It was capitalism versus socialism/Marxism. Today, fascism is way more a danger, is extremely well entrenched and we must not fall into the trap of assuming legitimate critique of corporate/ government ties is an attack on good capitalism because it is not.

It is good for capitalism to prevent the insiders from ruining the rest of us.
Hmm... fascism?

I thought fascism is when rogue political forces subvert economy; here we are seeing rogue companies subverting state and society.

Are the millions of zombie consumers of behavior modification drugs add up to a political movement?
I thought it was when the state joins with specific corps and favors them, each uses the other for aggrandizement?

Like us with GM,Chrysler and GE and BP.
(07-14-2011, 09:32 AM)Palladin Wrote: [ -> ]What we're going to have to do, we conservative types, is to forget the previous paradigm. It was capitalism versus socialism/Marxism. Today, fascism is way more a danger, is extremely well entrenched and we must not fall into the trap of assuming legitimate critique of corporate/ government ties is an attack on good capitalism because it is not.

It is good for capitalism to prevent the insiders from ruining the rest of us.

I've sometimes wondered if we're starting to see the first rumblings of a tectonic shift in the party lines. In many ways the Reagan doctrine has run its course - particularly the notion that "deficits don't matter," but in other respects too, like this one. The parties of course switched sides during the 1920's, and it could happen again. (Note which direction allegations of "elitism" in politics are going nowadays.)
It's possible, though the shift may not be as dramatic as "changing places".

I for one will never be a supporter of a nanny state idea. That violates my faith and every idea I have in my brain for good governance unrelated to faith.

Where I have changed in the last 5 years is:

1) Foreign policy - I no longer give the USA the benefit of the doubt, I have come to see our government as evil as any other one, entirely self absorbed, advancing it's interests with economic inducements, giving and taking away and killing folks, etc. Rarely is it advancing the interests of protecting our people or constitution if ever.

2) Domestic/economic- I see corporations more neutrally. Some have accessed the top levels of the nation and both sides use each other for their purposes at the expense of the people and the vast majority of lawful corporations. GM,Chrysler, GE and BP are self evident examples. You can imagine the losing corporations in this scenario.

3) War in general - I won't support any armed effort ever again unless we're attacked.

4) I came to disagree with our view of ourselves as benevolent global arbiters.

From my discussions socially, I do not sense a lot of people think like myself.

Where I do think we might be seeing a change of thinking enough to shift politics is along your line of suggestion, "deficits don't matter". I think we will live long enough to see a balanced budget amendment now:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/b...story.html
(07-13-2011, 06:01 PM)mv Wrote: [ -> ]Doing things for revenue is capitalism ... presumably good.

yes, that's the dogma that musn't be questioned. revenue, or better the profits out of it is what's pushing the prices up and devalues the currency, not taxes as palladin claimed in another thread.