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There sure are a lot of different stories, movies, TV programs, and novels revolving around Extraterrestrials attacking us Earthlings, aren't there?

Recently, I've run into a few of them.

First, is the movie/DVD "Skyline" which follows a day or two in the life of a few party-goers in LA during an ET invasion. Without giving anything away to those who haven't seen it, we get our asses kicked. Near as I can tell, there probably wouldn't be enough of us left to talk about the "good old days".

I've also seen "Battle Los Angeles", oddly also set in LA (hence the title). Here we follow a Marine squad as they uh, battle their way around LA after the first wave of alien invaders uh, kick our butts. Butts kicked, we then kick some alien behinds and it would seem some of us will get to have a future.

Then, TNT (TV network) debuts "Falling Skies" which describes the events well after an Alien butt-kicking as at least one group of survivors become "le resistance" and are attempting to keep life, while not as we knew it, going on.

I'm sure we could list a ton of others, but what I wonder is if a species were intelligent enough to create the numerous warships needed to simultaneously attack a number of our great cities while maintaining a large ship presence in orbit, wouldn't one expect that their technology would allow them to kick our butts? The logistical effort involved would only make sense for them if they knew they would be successful, I would suggest. Maybe we'd get lucky, like in "Independence Day", but I would doubt it. They would first send down an exploratory warship, determine our defensive capability, and unless we would be too strong for them (something I wouldn't expect) then send down the butt kickers.

Very few books/movies depict this. "Skyline" comes close.

"War of the Worlds" also showed us having our butts kicked, but ends with the Invaders not having thought out the process thoroughly, something I feel would not happen. I mean, if H. G. Wells could think of it, so could ET.

Sleep tight - we could get our butts kicked tomorrow.



there's also "V", both the old scifi series as well as the new one that was on NBC. S1

but you know what? I tire of all those "alien attacks"... I wish more TV shows were more like "Alien Nation", which was set during the present day... and a bunch of alien slaves and their slave ship crash on the shores of America. they then gain legal citizenship... the TV show then goes on to show what it is for both the aliens and the humans in adjusting to the new reality of having to live with each other.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKNc1nORBz0
(06-24-2011, 02:13 AM)Aurora Moon Wrote: [ -> ]there's also "V", both the old scifi series as well as the new one that was on NBC. S1

And Twilight Zone's "To Serve Man" and more.

Even so, I suspect were ETs to attack, we'd get our butts kicked.



well, I would have to say it depends on their technology and how strong they are.

what if they're literally only primitive lifeforms that managed to get to earth by hijacking various space objects, like comets and asteroids? They might have the ability to jump from one object to object in space. they might be like roaches--they can live nearly in any environment, and is sorta hard to kill unless you know what their true weakness is.

in fact, there's already a creature called water bears that shows that it actually survives in the vacuum of space. now it's a microscopic creature so it has no effect on us mostly. http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/12855775

but it does show us that other lifeforms might be able to live in the vacuum of space. and they don't have to be intelligent.

It would be ironic, if for all our E.T. horror movies, WE turned out to be the evil invading aliens who travel to other planets instead.

Maybe other aliens don't have that conquering mindset that WE humans often have, due to differently devloped minds.
We humans just cannot believe that aliens actually might have no interest in our planet or us... because hey if we conquered and invaded other lands in the past then that means that other life forms must have that same desire, right?

So in other words, we fear that the Aliens might be just as human as we are deep down in that respect, even if they don't look like us.
What might be interesting would be if they threw all of their effort into simply getting here.. maybe they didn't expect earth to be populated. They arrive with a coupla dozen ships expecting to colonize a world with no intelligent life and instead... what? They don't have the resources to go back and their only weapons are good for hunting and personal defense.

They don't speak english, (or any other human language) and they don't have a universal translator. Maybe they don't even communicate at a pitch we can hear?

How would we deal and how would they deal?
I'm in the process of reading Michael McCollum's Gibraltar Series, which is about alien invasion, but with a different twist. In the series, we find out about them before they do of us. And instead of allowing ourselves be subjected to their empire we actually go about subverting the system through stealth.
Why would aliens waste resources building battle cruisers and death rays when they could create a 100% fatal super germ that would target only humans. Maybe make the bodies turn to something inert as well, so no clean up.
Then the aliens have an empty planet with cities and infrastructure already built.
This is one of the oldest genres in SF. There must be a thousand aliens at war with us books - some dismal, and some uplifting. Even Green Lantern fits. The latest I, Robot novel by Howard S. Smith ends up with an robot race supplanting humans (which is really a good read).

I like the opposite: the emergence of mankind into the universe, where he is no longer dependent upon one planet for survival.
Perhaps aliens wouldn't wait until modern day to attack:

Cowboys and Aliens?

Yippee ki yay!


(07-09-2011, 10:00 PM)JohnWho Wrote: [ -> ]Perhaps aliens wouldn't wait until modern day to attack:

Cowboys and Aliens?

Yippee ki yay!
Been waiting on that movie for a long time to see what it looks like. Jon Favreau walked away from something to do it, can't remember what right off hand...
Discovery Channel, 8 PM (EST), Sunday, August 14, 2011 -

Alien Invasion - Are We Ready?

Quote:We've read the books, we've seen the movies. War of the Worlds, V, Independence Day. But they're all fiction, right? Well, probably not. New science is suggesting that aliens may be very real, and that they may not be as cuddly as E.T. Host Michelle Rodriguez (Avatar, Battle:LA) brings together top scientists, military strategists and writers to dramatize what would happen if and when aliens attacked.

With Michelle Rodriguez hosting, I'm ready, that's for sure.

I'm suspecting they will be telling us that if Aliens attack, it will be time to bend over and kiss our asses goodbye!

That will be interesting to see.
Any species adavanced enough, or desperate enough, to cross the vastness between stars could wipe us out.
Nothing we could do about it.
If they have time to wait, a virus that renders everyone infertile would do it without a shot.
If they are in a hurry, a planet-wide EM pulse followed by meteor bombardment via mass-driver would be a start.
(08-10-2011, 08:19 PM)Armadillo Wrote: [ -> ]Any species adavanced enough, or desperate enough, to cross the vastness between stars could wipe us out.
Nothing we could do about it.
If they have time to wait, a virus that renders everyone infertile would do it without a shot.
If they are in a hurry, a planet-wide EM pulse followed by meteor bombardment via mass-driver would be a start.

I assume that by using the 'virus' and 'Impactor' themes, you must have read John Ringo's Troy Rising series, right? He uses both of those in that series, in the attempt to subdue those pesky humans.

Whether we would be totally wiped out or not would depend on why they were here. If to colonize, for example, they probably wouldn't want any remnants of us to cause problems. If for certain natural resources, as long as they could harvest or mine it, they probably wouldn't care if there are any of us left when they are done. If, as in "The Day the Earth Stood Still", it is to protect the planet from us, we would be goners.

Assuming a planned attack, I suspect in most scenarios we would get our assess kicked.
(08-11-2011, 09:12 AM)JohnWho Wrote: [ -> ]Whether we would be totally wiped out or not would depend on why they were here. If to colonize, for example, they probably wouldn't want any remnants of us to cause problems. If for certain natural resources, as long as they could harvest or mine it, they probably wouldn't care if there are any of us left when they are done. If, as in "The Day the Earth Stood Still", it is to protect the planet from us, we would be goners.

Assuming a planned attack, I suspect in most scenarios we would get our assess kicked.

The theme of 'conquest for resources' makes no sense IMO. There are scores of novels about this, but once people realize that the overwhelming majority of resources are all over a solar system, particularly in the Ort Cloud regions, why invade a planet for them? And too, a technical race of aliens would exploit their own system first, which would require many thousands of years.

If you look at how the galaxy has developed, the stars will be ranked in the number of generations each star has become. First generations stars are almost pure hydrogen, with some helium, and its fusion process converts into helium and other elements. If the first generation star is big enough to go super-nova, it expels much of it's remaining material, including heavier elements, outward. Smaller main sequence stars eventually run out of conversion material and become dwarfs after expelling their outer layers.

Second generation stars reform from remnants of material thrown out of huge first generation stars. They have more heavy elements present and tend to form planets that were not possible with first generation stars. But they would still be lighter on heavy metals.

Third generation(and later) stars have far more heavy metals present, because the fusion process has created them over several cycles. Our sun is a third generation star, and they are all over the galaxy. Harvesting the bounty of any system like ours would take a long time to go through, perhaps never. So why go all that distance, to another star, and invade their critters, just to get something the invader could obtain at home?

Furthermore, a habitable planet is not going to be all that necessary. Just create one's own zone of habitation. Larry Niven discusses this in "Ringworld", where a huge ring orbited a system, and all manner of beings live on the inside, facing the sun. The amount of space available would be staggering and with a civilization that is that advanced, it would be doable.

And it wouldn't have to be made all at once: just create sections, strategically placed within the same orbit, counterbalanced all around the orbit. As other sections are made, move them into place, piece by piece, until the entire ring is finally finished. That would take thousands of years, and if the system did not have enough material, the rest could be obtained from nearer red dwarfs that are fairly close in, and would have available material for exploitation.





Anyway, I suspect the only practical way to travel between stars will be the 'sub-light' speed of vehicles, which would take years. Or perhaps luck would reveal some 'fold space' portals to the other end. I like the idea of FTL drives, but don't believe it will be possible. And without FTL drives, or the ability to create portals, conquest between the stars will not be practical.

It's a matter of logistics. If it takes years to accomplish, it would be a one way trip into the unknown. And the use of 'scouts' would take huge amounts of time, because the scouts would have to go out, find suitable places to conquer, send back the information, and then organize the invasion vessel(s).

It would be a whole lot more practical to just visit, get to know the distant neighbor, and perhaps trade knowledge, which doesn't weigh much at all.

But invasion stories do make great reading though. S1

Yeah, Light-speed limits is hard to get around.

There have been many SF novels based around multi-generational colony ships that arise for two basic reasons: the place they came from is inhospitable or dying, or there is an innate need to explore and expand.

As hard as it may be to understand, I think the later is more likely. This generation is the only one in the history of mankind where we begin to cure the aging process and also have left the surface of the planet to begin the population of the stars. When we have spread homo sap to neighboring worlds, mankind is no longer at the mercy of one planet-wide surprise that wipes us out.

As we expand, the Light-speed limit will also limit our homestasis and familial interdependence. David Weber's Honorverse actually makes sense - if you freeze-frame it before the deus et machina invention of FTL drives.
So, when Aliens attack,

we should stand up and tell them they can't be here

because there's no such thing as FTL drives?

That'll stop 'em!

I think that would be a great thing, to have visitors with the knowledge and ability to leap from star to star. Logically, we should have little to fear from them. Anyone smart enough to travel the starlanes shouldn't have barbaric intent.

The argument that two civilizations must battle for possession of a single world follows the stupid argument of finite resources and zero-growth NeoMalthusians. Worlds are large and able to support our growth and needs without stress. If we met a space-faring race that could live on our planet, perhaps they might enhance our ability to share the space, rather than make it a contentious battlefield. Instead of a battle for exclusive ownership of the planet, it makes more sense that joint possession would only enhance our existence.