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Life is so much better today than in 1905 or 1000 BC,but many don't think it is apparently.
Palladin Wrote:Life is so much better today than in 1905 or 1000 BC,but many don't think it is apparently.

Hey Patrick, when you cannot think beyond your Johnson, what you you expect? Wink1
John L Wrote:Actually, I find the future to be very positive, with science what it is going to be. Man and science will literally transform this planet, and I do not think that it will be for the worse.

Mastodon/Smilodon Park anyone?
so far man's transformation of the planet hasn't been exactly for the better
henrylee100 Wrote:
John L Wrote:Actually, I find the future to be very positive, with science what it is going to be. Man and science will literally transform this planet, and I do not think that it will be for the worse.

Mastodon/Smilodon Park anyone?
so far man's transformation of the planet hasn't been exactly for the better

That's because you are a 'Cup Half Empty' sort of fellow. Myself, I'm a 'Cup Half Full' believer. Most leftists are pessimistic naturally. We Individualists are more likely to be the opposite.

That is also why you guys Love Paul Ehrlich, and we LoveJulian Simon.
John L Wrote:Most leftists are pessimistic naturally.
Most of soviet leftists were pathological optimists. Do you remember face of Gorby? Great optimist... :?
I guess Henry would have preferred living in the hunters and gatherers age or the agricultural age,but he's about the only human I've ever heard of that would.
John L Wrote:
henrylee100 Wrote:
John L Wrote:Actually, I find the future to be very positive, with science what it is going to be. Man and science will literally transform this planet, and I do not think that it will be for the worse.

Mastodon/Smilodon Park anyone?
so far man's transformation of the planet hasn't been exactly for the better

That's because you are a 'Cup Half Empty' sort of fellow. Myself, I'm a 'Cup Half Full' believer. Most leftists are pessimistic naturally. We Individualists are more likely to be the opposite.

That is also why you guys Love Paul Ehrlich, and we LoveJulian Simon.
actually I regard myself as an individualist and on the individual level we're all total losers, because we live we die and that's the end of it at least in this frame of reference. your metaphorical cut, it's neither half full nor half empty, it's in the process of going from full to empy.
Quote:I guess Henry would have preferred living in the hunters and gatherers age or the agricultural age,but he's about the only human I've ever heard of that would.
it depends on the climate, being a hunter/gatherer in Russian wouldn't be fun, but I'd presume that doing that sort of stuff in Australia was adequate, guess part of the reason the aboriginies never really evolved beyond the hunters/gatherers stage was there was never any need for them to do so. they could have gone on indifinately like that if the europeans hadn't shown up and started filling the country with criminals.
Quote:Most of soviet leftists were pathological optimists. Do you remember face of Gorby? Great optimist...
you should also mention that in the reconstruction era USSR and Russia things were the other way around regarding the left vs right thing, and to an extend they continue to be this way: the right are the communists and the left are the free traders. In many ways Russia is on the other side of the proverbial looking glass. Might be part of the reason why we don't shun death the way people in the west seem to tend to do. To us death is a friend as it relieves the pain of living.
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Some think that France will be the first European country in modern times to be taken over by Muslims due to her very large, violent immigrant population and effeminate native populace. Others point to the Netherlands, from which native Dutch people are beginning to flee in the face of hostile Islamism among the immigrants in that densely-populated nation. But Russia--a huge nation with vast natural resources, thousands of nuclear warheads, and until recently a global superpower—-may be the first to go under. This seems possible even though Russia suffers little from the suicidal tolerance and multiculturalism that afflicts Western Europeans.
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Some think that France will be the first European country in modern times to be taken over by Muslims due to her very large, violent immigrant population and effeminate native populace. Others point to the Netherlands, from which native Dutch people are beginning to flee in the face of hostile Islamism among the immigrants in that densely-populated nation. But Russia--a huge nation with vast natural resources, thousands of nuclear warheads, and until recently a global superpower—-may be the first to go under. This seems possible even though Russia suffers little from the suicidal tolerance and multiculturalism that afflicts Western Europeans.
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I have always looked at China as the greatest threat, and even believe that Russia is one of the prime candidates for breaking down to that "Lowest Common Functional Denominator", but I did not look at it the way this article did. And I agree. The size of Russia will be taking another drop in the near future, as she will be faced with maintaining her cultural soverignty, by letting the muslims break away, or trying to hold on to everything and thus losing everything.

I think Russia will take the former approach to the issue. The number of new countries in this centuray will be staggering. The world is in the process of downsizing, not the other way around. It will be interesting to see which country divides first: Russia or the PRC.

I wonder if Green is preparing for the possibility of becoming something other than a Russian? Wink1
I personally start to believe that America will break up. Mexican invasion threats US South national security and homogeneity which is basically being caused by assimilation process (so-called melting-pot). US will react to this threat with isolationism, but that is just the opposite to their idea of internationalism and spreading of democracy... Something must be sacrificed.
As for the USSR, maybe you read its constitution and find out that:
Quote:Article 72. Each Union Republic shall retain the right freely to secede from the USSR.
In RF you have not this right.
Green Wrote:I personally start to believe that America will break up. Mexican invasion threats US South national security and homogeneity which is basically being caused by assimilation process (so-called melting-pot). US will react to this threat with isolationism, but that is just the opposite to their idea of internationalism and spreading of democracy... Something must be sacrificed.

You may be correct, in that the US may eventually divide into two or more entities. If the US is unable to keep up with the technology, or economics, it too will devolve into it's lowest Common Functional Denominator.

However, Russia will have no choice, unless it decides to destroy enough of it's muslim citizens in order to retain those outlaying parts for the RF. Somehow, I doubt that they will be able to accomplish it, so it will continue to divide up, and in the long run, will be to it's advantage.


Quote:As for the USSR, maybe you read its constitution and find out that:
Quote:Article 72. Each Union Republic shall retain the right freely to secede from the USSR.
In RF you have not this right.

USSR also had many wonderful inclusions about human rights, free election, etc, etc, and those did not exist in reality. secession was definately NOT in the cards, no matter what the constitution stated. I am certain that eventually Russia will break up into smaller units. The question is not if, but rather when.
Russia lost millions of people, ethnical Jews and Germans for example who moved back to their old home countries as well. They should not have many immigrants moving to Russia, the people who balance the European populations, except Italy.
Russia survived worser shoot then a 15year old population decline, so I would not get excited just yet.
Seriously now, its hard for a foreigner to understand whats going on in Russia, sometimes Im having trouble understanding it myself, its overcoming harsh times, the change of the socio economic system didnt come out exactly smooth and the rise from chaos takes time. Things are getting better, I hear all the time from people here in Spain(emigrants from the ex-USSR) about their relatives having a better life now in Russia and no reason to come here to the Costa del Sol, there were times when things were different.

The decline is a social issue, Russian society is traumatized, it needs to recover, regain confidence, has nothing to do with religion.

I believe this depopulation we are having is a temporal issue that Russia has to overcome and will do so, until then we can fill the empty spaces with immigrants from former soviet republics, including ethnical Russians. Im not saying its nothing to worry about, it most certainly is, probably more of a worry then US and China combined, but I remain confident in Russias long proven ability to overcome.
These are exciting times we are living, Russia has never been so close to "the path of virtue" (meaning the right socio economic system, not some fanatical preaching bs S1 ) as it is now, so by all means it should end up doing better then ever.
Wow, Malaga is so far from Russia. Do you think some of the Muslim republics or enclaves in Asian Russia will break away? It's odd, that you live where the Muslims were run off by Queen Isabela and King Ferdinand, and that one poster on this board is a descendant of Sepharidic Jews, most of whom speak (or did speak) Spanish.
Fit2BThaied Wrote:Wow, Malaga is so far from Russia. Do you think some of the Muslim republics or enclaves in Asian Russia will break away? It's odd, that you live where the Muslims were run off by Queen Isabela and King Ferdinand, and that one poster on this board is a descendant of Sepharidic Jews, most of whom speak (or did speak) Spanish.

Much closer then Thailand, my friend S2 . Lived in Russia most of my life and living in Spain only since september, lived in Moscow before that. What about u, ever visited Russia?
I dont think any muslim republics will break away for a few reasons:
-They have an example of consequences (Chechnya)
-The president of Russia approves the candidate for head of the republic
-Integration is pretty strong, economical, cultural, political,etc
-The young generation is not as religious as their parents, christian or muslim, so the main reason for the breakaway is fading away
I am more worried about the far east, the gv-t ought to do a better job in integrating the region and upgrading the communicational infrastructure (if u remember the muslim republics are in European Russia
Well, Russian Muslims are hardwired into Russian society. Some problems occured with Chechens, but Tatars and Bashkirs are tied with family and economic ties with Russians.
Just for change (in Ru).
Ruscit, I've never been to Russia yet, but tomorrow I'll try to book a flight from Thailand to Ireland, through Moscow. I think I'll spend 2 or 3 nights in Moscow, around June 5. The weather should be decent by June, yes?

I've visited Barcelona and Palma de Mallorca for a week each, but never been to southern Spain. How do you like the winter so far, compared to Russia? It gets to about 31 here this week (Celsius) now.

The rock group Three Dog Night had a big hit with a pop song, "Well I've never been to Spain, but I've been to Oklahoma. They tell me I was born there, but I really don't remember."
Fit2BThaied Wrote:Ruscit, I've never been to Russia yet, but tomorrow I'll try to book a flight from Thailand to Ireland, through Moscow. I think I'll spend 2 or 3 nights in Moscow, around June 5. The weather should be decent by June, yes?

I've visited Barcelona and Palma de Mallorca for a week each, but never been to southern Spain. How do you like the winter so far, compared to Russia? It gets to about 31 here this week (Celsius) now.

The rock group Three Dog Night had a big hit with a pop song, "Well I've never been to Spain, but I've been to Oklahoma. They tell me I was born there, but I really don't remember."

The weather should be ok by then. U should plan your staying in Moscow, there is a lot to see.
The winter here is pretty warm, its like 18 C right now, I miss the snow though
Thaied,
I strongly recommend not to. You are used to Thai prices and you know you get a whole lot for your money. Moscow is precisely the opposite. A rip off whatever you need, taxi, hotel, restaurant, a girl. Little to see there anyway. You'll need a visa in advance, I guess after studying the absurdities required http://www.waytorussia.net/RussianVisa/Info.html you gonna change your mind. Plan a couple of hours for the check of your passport and visa at Sheremetjevo in, their border guards are under the illusion they're VIP and punish visitors for disturbing them.
quadrat Wrote:Thaied,
I strongly recommend not to. You are used to Thai prices and you know you get a whole lot for your money. Moscow is precisely the opposite. A rip off whatever you need, taxi, hotel, restaurant, a girl. Little to see there anyway. You'll need a visa in advance, I guess after studying the absurdities required http://www.waytorussia.net/RussianVisa/Info.html you gonna change your mind. Plan a couple of hours for the check of your passport and visa at Sheremetjevo in, their border guards are under the illusion they're VIP and punish visitors for disturbing them.

I agree on the pricing, Moscow isnt cheap, the rest is crap. Were u in Moscow? When was that?
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