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(05-23-2015, 04:34 PM)mr_yak Wrote: [ -> ]John,

Out of curiosity, why would you pick that over the game of chicken that Mitch McConnnell is playing over NSA metadata gathering? Frankly, I think it has the potential to be a much bigger embarrassment. If it turns out that way it could be absolute gold for Rand Paul.

Jack, I can't catch everything. That's why I rely on folks like you. Got a link?
(05-23-2015, 06:19 PM)John L Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-23-2015, 04:34 PM)mr_yak Wrote: [ -> ]John,

Out of curiosity, why would you pick that over the game of chicken that Mitch McConnnell is playing over NSA metadata gathering? Frankly, I think it has the potential to be a much bigger embarrassment. If it turns out that way it could be absolute gold for Rand Paul.

Jack, I can't catch everything. That's why I rely on folks like you. Got a link?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/...e-chicken/

McConnell is channeling Obama. My way ... or the highway. He's doubled down on the belief that he has 60 willing stooges ... and he's probably right. Paul did a bit of kabuki theater with his 'filibuster'. But if this turns out to be a total cluster f**k, he's probably gonna look like the smartest guy in the Senate. A small bet and a tiny effort ... very little downside ... other than condemnation from GrahaMcCain .. which is probably upside in disguise ... lots of potential payoff. On the off chance that the dominoes fall the right way you'll be smiling John. Stay tuned.
Jack, I'd be smiling even more if the entire Patriot Act was ruled unconstitutional by the Supremes.
(05-23-2015, 09:26 PM)John L Wrote: [ -> ]Jack, I'd be smiling even more if the entire Patriot Act was ruled unconstitutional by the Supremes.

Gaaaah ... everything has to be perfect for you. Wouldn't you at least be "half pleased" if it was legislatively bungled? There are portions of this which should stand ... like those that actually require adherence to the 4th amendment. Say they manage to screw things up so bad that the 'rats regain the House and Senate ... topped off by the coronation of another Clinton. How exactly with that make everything all better?
Jack, I always strive for perfection, within reason of course. Its the way I am. But I know that I will almost always have to settle for something less. I am realistic, don't you know.

My designer clients around here are always on to me about my perfectionist outlook concerning the beautiful things I make, and go in their customer's homes. But while they give me a hard time forever, about being "Picky, picky, picky", they have no hesitation about embarrassing me in front of those same customers, by going on and on about how wonderful my work happens to be. Its really embarrassing, but it gives me great satisfaction knowing that while I may not be the best there is, there's no body better at what I do.

I always strive for the best possible,.....within reason. So why shouldn't I expect it from others as well? S5

As far as the Dumbasses screwing thing, that's always a distinct possibility. That's why they are Dumbasses. S6 Its not my fault that they are so inept and worthless. They need to be Whigged out.
NYT's biases are pretty obvious, but here's a fairly extensive examination of the overall cluster f**k. Again, Rand Paul is looking like the big winner ... at least judged by your favorite NC Senator's "eye rolling" as a metric.

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Its not every day you get to see a freshman senator totally disrupt the US Senate. I can just hear the establishment Dumbasses wailing and threatening.

Great image incidentally. If Arizona reelects the McDoofus idiot, I'll never have anything good to say about that state again. Gah

And just to think, I was born in South Carolina. I use the Goober all the time to rub my relative's noses in the mud.
It's not just Rand Paul ... although he's doing a fine job of exploiting the situation. There are a number of Senators that are doing the math and realizing that there are large swaths of the population that actually resent across the board intrusion on their privacy. And that the arguments for 'universal' surveillance are pretty rickety. I don't want to hog tie national security, but the notion that it's too onerous and time consuming to apply common sense and due process are beginning to fall pretty flat ... and that's a good thing. The down side is that it only takes one major event to shift the argument to "I told you so" ... and, unfortunately, I fear that we are overdue for a "major event". S11
(05-24-2015, 04:00 PM)mr_yak Wrote: [ -> ]It's not just Rand Paul ... although he's doing a fine job of exploiting the situation. There are a number of Senators that are doing the math and realizing that there are large swaths of the population that actually resent across the board intrusion on their privacy. And that the arguments for 'universal' surveillance are pretty rickety. I don't want to hog tie national security, but the notion that it's too onerous and time consuming to apply common sense and due process are beginning to fall pretty flat ... and that's a good thing. The down side is that it only takes one major event to shift the argument to "I told you so" ... and, unfortunately, I fear that we are overdue for a "major event". S11

I hate to keep harping about all this, in the midst of my perfectionism, but we are overdue for a Whigging out process.

After all, its the only way to be sure.

(05-24-2015, 04:06 PM)John L Wrote: [ -> ]After all, its the only way to be sure.

Overly simplistic. Cockroaches will likely survive and flourish after a good nuking. I believe the same is probably true for politicians. The ones that are tenacious enough to survive are probably going to be the most rotten. Then what? Both Hitler and Stalin managed to have large swaths of their officer corps executed at one point or another ... do you think that ultimately did them much good?

I'm a big fan of incremental changes compared to waterfall models. You actually get to test small changes, find problems and correct them in an orderly way. The alternative involves sea changes where you bet the farm by committing time, money and resources in big discrete leaps and bounds and by the time you find the flaws, the consequences can be catastrophic ... usually it results in a series of desperate f**k ups trying jolt the project back on track. Look at the GOP face of the Senate over the last few years. The GrahaMcCain contingent is slowly shrinking (although, apparently, too slow for you) and the insurgents are gaining stature.

John L Wrote:Its not every day you get to see a freshman senator totally disrupt the US Senate. I can just hear the establishment Dumbasses wailing and threatening.

Those days are 'slowly' and gradually becoming more frequent. It's not perfection, but at least it's progress.
Hey, I believe in the KISS doctrine. S5

And we still need a Real Two Party System, which we no longer have. All we have are two wings of the same party. If that takes something earth shattering, I'm all for it. Nothing is worse than this Chinese water torture.
(05-24-2015, 07:56 PM)John L Wrote: [ -> ]If that takes something earth shattering, I'm all for it. Nothing is worse than this Chinese water torture.

Are you asserting that impatience is a virtue?
(05-24-2015, 08:00 PM)mr_yak Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-24-2015, 07:56 PM)John L Wrote: [ -> ]If that takes something earth shattering, I'm all for it. Nothing is worse than this Chinese water torture.

Are you asserting that impatience is a virtue?

Nope. I'm just saying that the longer this drags out, the more damage done, and the more that needs repair.
I may no longer have to worry about the Patriot Act being declared unconstitutional. The US Senate is doing it for me.

VICTORY! SENATE VOTES AGAINST PATRIOT ACT RENEWAL!

But Mitch McConnell is going to make one last try, before it officially dies. Let's hope Rand Paul rises to the occasion once more. My guess is that this is going to create a major rift between the two Kentucky senators.
Here's hoping. It was sloppy as hell. But these guys have an amazing capacity to (re)dredge and (re)implement bad ideas ... and they apparently have one more chance on the 31st. I'd really prefer this to be handled (or in McConnell's vernacular 'mishandled') in the legislature. But I guess we'll have to take what we can get.
(05-25-2015, 11:09 PM)mr_yak Wrote: [ -> ]Here's hoping. It was sloppy as hell. But these guys have an amazing capacity to (re)dredge and (re)implement bad ideas ... and they apparently have one more chance on the 31st. I'd really prefer this to be handled (or in McConnell's vernacular 'mishandled') in the legislature. But I guess we'll have to take what we can get.

I'm with you. But let's not forget that it was Junior, who made this happen in the first place. He shares the blame for opening a door that didn't need to be opened, which allowed McDaddy to force his way through.

And I'm to blame as well, because I grudgingly went along with it despite the reservations. Shame on me. S11
Geez ... I thought it was only the Dems that keep running campaigns versus a President who hasn't been in office for the last seven years.
(05-26-2015, 09:34 PM)mr_yak Wrote: [ -> ]Geez ... I thought it was only the Dems that keep running campaigns versus a President who hasn't been in office for the last seven years.

Come on, if its the truth, then its the truth. I'm not running any campaign against Junior. Morally, he's above reproach. He's a certified patriot, deeply religious, and generally what you see is what you get.

But he's just a Big Government Statist, and he can't change his stripes. Its part of being a Bushie I guess. That's why I don't want any more of them to set foot in the WH.

I'm even critical of Reagan too. The only 20th century president I really admired was Calvin Coolidge. S22
Is this really a coincidence, or is it a correlation? Was the most powerful Republican in the land really a sex offender? Obviously this will not go away any time soon, as the Whores are going to make this into a rallying cry.
Here is a Fantastic Morph, that is so illustrative of how the two parties have become as one.

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