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In Israel, Time for Peace Offer May Run Out

Quote:With revolutionary fervor sweeping the Middle East, Israel is under mounting pressure to make a far-reaching offer to the Palestinians or face a United Nations vote welcoming the State of Palestine as a member whose territory includes all of the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem.

The Palestinian Authority has been steadily building support for such a resolution in September, a move that could place Israel into a diplomatic vise. Israel would be occupying land belonging to a fellow United Nations member, land it has controlled and settled for more than four decades and some of which it expects to keep in any two-state solution.

Such a move by the UN would really put the fat in the fire for Israel.
That won't change anything. Nothing ever change there. You can come back in 50 years and the headlines still be the same as yesterday or as 25 years ago.
You may be right.
I don't think we can predict what will happen there with all the mess around, but Deb(IL)ka sees a war.

BTW, did anyone here see the latest from Goldstone? What a crock....
mv Wrote:I don't think we can predict what will happen there with all the mess around, but Deb(IL)ka sees a war.

BTW, did anyone here see the latest from Goldstone? What a crock....

Goldstone? My mind reading powers are in recovery mode at the moment. Wink1
IMO,it would make a difference to Israel's security if the UN recognizes Palestine as a separate state.

Then Israel would find it much more difficult to do business w/o sanctions,they are too small to fend for themselves when everyone is against them.

If I were an Israeli,I'd be for a deal with Abbas. I know,I know,the Palestinian Arabs are not the most reasonable people group to make deals with,however,they are NOT going anywhere so they have to deal with them or Hamas.

Make your deal now with Abbas,secure a small section of the west bank contiguous with Israel and be done with it,absolutely every day in the future the deal making "power paradigm" swings away from the Jews.

Demographically,Israel is untenable long term w/o a deal,that ought to be fairly obvious.

I used to be the biggest hawk for Israel anywhere and I can see now that the Reagan advice(and my own desires ) for Israel harmed them,it would have been good if the Jews had never started believing they could get away with what has transpired in the west bank because the enmity created might preclude even a deal this late.
John L Wrote:
mv Wrote:I don't think we can predict what will happen there with all the mess around, but Deb(IL)ka sees a war.

BTW, did anyone here see the latest from Goldstone? What a crock....

Goldstone? My mind reading powers are in recovery mode at the moment. Wink1

Richard Goldstone, the author of the UN anti-Israel Goldstone Report, now admitted that his report was BS,

http://www.jta.org/news/article/2011/04/...intentions
But that will never be a major headline or common knowledge, and those who know will ignore it, MV.

I want to know more of what the boy would do if war erupted or if he did his uttermost to bring the Israelis down, especially given *America's* attitude towards the little state.
Obviously it will not be a big headline, but it is reported, see for example http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...drawn.html
with a link to a WashPost article.
Regardless of whether Israel intentionally attacks civilians (which I suspect it does not), the military occupation is unacceptable and must end. The UN should be supported in its efforts to promote Palestinian sovereignty.

Prime Minister Netanyahu's response is predictable. Israel's Likud party has always been resistant to diplomacy with the Palestinians.
Gommi Wrote:The UN should be supported in its efforts to promote Palestinian sovereignty.
Why? Nothing better than another failed (this time mini) state(s) will come out if the effort is successful.
The UN, given it's history and track record of utter failure at practically everything it does, should be encouraged to go stick their collective heads in a large bucket of water until they drown.
Agree the UN is useless,but,the Jews have to overcome what is a looming and growing demographic imbalance against them.

It cannot be that the Pal Arabs have tons more numbers and the Jews can just sit around and hope their Army can whip all these numbers,eventually demography has it's say.

I'm a nationalist here,but,if we had this situation,I'd be for a deal sooner rather than later,later the imbalance is even more pronounced.

Remember,Jews do not have kids,Arabs do. That fact makes settling new areas out of the question and I bet Begin had no clue this would be reality back in 1982.

When WE settled our west,we had more kids than the Indians on a constant basis that lived as well as new immigrants they didn't,that's the only way it works.
Gommi Wrote:Regardless of whether Israel intentionally attacks civilians (which I suspect it does not), the military occupation is unacceptable and must end. The UN should be supported in its efforts to promote Palestinian sovereignty.

Prime Minister Netanyahu's response is predictable. Israel's Likud party has always been resistant to diplomacy with the Palestinians.

Hey, you know it's just a Damned shame that those pesky Israeli Joooos don't follow the example of their European Ashkenazi cousins, who were willing to stand in line in order to see how many could be killed with just one 7.92mm round out of a Nazi Mauser. Or better yet, they willingly allow themselves to be crammed into overcrowded boxcars and deposited at many concentration camps, where they may have whimpered and cried, but were still willing to march into the gas chambers and be slaughtered just like cattle. Hell, even pigs put up more fight than they did.

But for some reason, the ones still alive today simply refuse to be pushed around by the world, and just don't want to repeat another performance like the last time.

I wonder why those pesky Joooos tend to play rough, and for keeps? It's really nice that you, along with millions of other Jooo critics, can sit in total safety, in Euroland and point fingers at them, when you are not being shot at on a continual basis.

Perhaps you all can just wave a magic want and Presto, all the pesky Jooos can just disappear, and trouble you all no more?

But just remember one thing Gommi, if those pesky Joooos were to suddenly disappear, some other group would automatically replace them. Would you like to be part of the next group of 'untouchables'?
Gommi Wrote:Regardless of whether Israel intentionally attacks civilians (which I suspect it does not), the military occupation is unacceptable and must end. The UN should be supported in its efforts to promote Palestinian sovereignty.

Prime Minister Netanyahu's response is predictable. Israel's Likud party has always been resistant to diplomacy with the Palestinians.

You are either a spam bot or something. It's like cranking a slot machine when I read one of your posts.
E tu, Taitus? Wink1
John L Wrote:Hey, you know it's just a Damned shame that those pesky Israeli Joooos don't follow the example of their European Ashkenazi cousins, who were willing to stand in line in order to see how many could be killed with just one 7.92mm round out of a Nazi Mauser. Or better yet, they willingly allow themselves to be crammed into overcrowded boxcars and deposited at many concentration camps, where they may have whimpered and cried, but were still willing to march into the gas chambers and be slaughtered just like cattle. Hell, even pigs put up more fight than they did.
Has it occurred to you that Israel would be more secure if the occupation ended? That Jewish culture would be more respected if its political leaders were less aggressive? Journalist Thomas Friedman proposed the best solution to the conflict: Israel should withdraw its military from the occupied lands and only attack or use coercion as an occasional retaliation. This would allow Palestine to develop its capacity as a democratic state without Israeli interference.

The occupation is problematic and cannot continue indefinitely. By the way John, I have a great appreciation for Israel. In fact, if I lived in Israel I would be a labor Zionist!

Gunnen4u Wrote:You are either a spam bot or something. It's like cranking a slot machine when I read one of your posts.
Well naturally, as someone of the Left persuasion I often object to many of the views here. But then, you repeat much of the same rhetoric as well.
Gommi, in a Utopian world, you would be right. But one does not have the luxury of crossing one's fingers, and placing one's head in the proverbial guillotine. Especially when there are Islamos to the left, Islamos to the right, Islamos here, there, and everywhere, who are passionately dedicated to Israel's destruction.

This is REAL LIFE out there, and Utopian thinking belongs in Utopialand.

Look, there is one current extant Palestinian state already, and that state is Jordan. It is made up of approximately 66% official 'card carrying' Palestinians(figure of speech). If I was running Israel I'd eject every 'Pal' from Gaza the next time they started rocketing the country. I'd give them their walking papers, minus the known terrorists, which would be relegated to some dark hole somewhere.

This whole thing has been going on too lone already. If the Pals can't make up their own minds, and stop being manipulated by other Islamos, then it is time to give them a push. I'm sick of having to put up with people, sitting around, hands together, singing sweetness and light, and "Can't we all just get along", while they take another toke on their doobie.
Quote:Has it occurred to you that Israel would be more secure if the occupation ended?

Bwa-ha-ha-ha...

No, seriously. What on earth leads you to believe that? Do you seriously think that if the Israelis gave the Palestinians Jerusalem, the West Bank, and every other bit of land they wanted, that the attacks on whatever the Jews had left would stop?

Seriously?
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