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Pakistani scholars threathens those mourning an assassinated governor.

This governor was known for his opposition to the anti-blasphemy law and the death sentence of a christian woman. See more detail in this article.

What is worrying is that these scholars are supposed to be "moderate", that they were 500 to sign the statement, that they have huge support from the population. And they are even against taliban.

Radical Islamism is making its way through violence, bullying and assassinations.

If such things can happen, if groups of clerics can openly talk like that there, there is no hope for this country at all anymore.
That's what happens to a nation that has experienced 1500 years of inbreeding.
Fredledingue Wrote:Radical Islamism is making its way through violence, bullying and assassinations.

Yes, Freddy! Down with Radical Islamists, Up with Mainstream Islam:

Mainstream Pakistan religious organisations applaud killing of Salman Taseer
Mumtaz Qadri, who killed Punjab governor, showered with rose petals by lawyers as he arrives in court


This revelation comes to you from the citadel of right-wing Christians, the Guardian!
We should have begun that Big Fence a long, long, time ago. It may already be too late. S4
Fredledingue Wrote:Radical Islamism is making its way through violence, bullying and assassinations.
that's wrong. they are the government were there is none, they provide aid, charity, social services. radical islam is bred were social injustice, lawlessness, and poverty are abundant, just like its radical christian relative. remember ron's words? "only in jesus is hope". or allah. they distinguished themselves again in the floods last year, while the government did nothing, and the premier went on a trip to uk.
mv, it's horrifying that mainstream islam became radical.

Q, what the Mullah of Mainstream Islam did for the flood victims?

Did they sent hellicopters, amphibious vehicles?
Did they give 300,000 blankets, 200,000 tents, 50,000 tons of food, 1,000,000 dozes of medicines?
Did they send several billions dollars?
No.

So, short of the above, it's like they did nothing.

No. For such poeple, on one hand aid is always brought by poeple, because the governement must do it, because the rich must do it, because the West must do it.

On the other hand, natural disasters which kills thousands and put millions in misery is always the act of God, the punishment of the Allmighty.
(The Deluge, the 10 Plagues of Egypt etc...)

Because climatic events are powerful, unstopable, unexplained (for those who have no access to satellite images) and more importantly, come from the sky, they match the vision they have of their god "Allah".

Instead of understanding that floods often occur in valleys, near rivers flowing from mountainous areas.

Instead of seeing God in the aid brougth to them by poeple living far away and who don't even know them but have heard their call.

Instead of seeing God in human goodness, they prefer to see hatred and maintan hatred.
John L Wrote:We should have begun that Big Fence a long, long, time ago. It may already be too late. S4
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It is probably too late. Obama is still viewing Pakistan as a partner despite Taliban getting more and more influence in Pakistan.

Better to back out of this Afghanistan and let the Taliban rule there and in Pakistan. US will never win that war in Afghanistan. The US taxpayers money could be saved and used for better purposes.

/track_snake
I agree with you here. As I once noted earlier, a higher ranking Taliban was being interrogated by US forces in the area. And he commented that while we may have all of the watches, they have all of the time. They Know that they can simply exercise patience and they will be guaranteed a victory.
The UN is against the fence idea.

Amazing! Then they wonder why we sort of have finance troubles...
Interresting to put that in parallel.
Oh, my Gosh, the Pakis are upset that a US general is perhaps telling the truth?

Pakistan warns U.S.: 'You will lose an ally'. With friends like that, do we really need any enemies?

Quote:Pakistan warned the United States it risks losing an ally if it continued to accuse Islamabad of playing a double game in the war against militancy, escalating the crisis in relations between the two countries.

Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar was responding to comments by U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen, who said Pakistan's top spy agency supported attacks on the U.S. Embassy and other targets by the Haqqani network, the most violent and effective faction among Islamic Taliban militants in Afghanistan.

It is the most serious allegation leveled by the United States against nuclear-armed and Muslim-majority Pakistan since they began an alliance in the "war on terrorism" a decade ago.

"You will lose an ally," Khar told Geo TV in New York in remarks broadcast on Friday.

"You cannot afford to alienate Pakistan, you cannot afford to alienate the Pakistani people. If you are choosing to do so and if they are choosing to do so it will be at their own cost."
It will be nice when the US can shuck off the morally disadvantaged Pakistanis.

They must be in a world of worry. The US is getting annoyed with sending money whose use is undocumented, India is starting to emerge from the third world, the Islamic extremists that they created are now challenging the legitimate government of Pakistan, their government remains mired in corruption with Mr. 10% as its leader, etc. etc.

Thus, they simply ramp up the production of their nuclear weapons, rather than trying to address their problems.
How to do so when the people are the problem?
I presume that you mean the Pakistani people. Usually good and/or strong governments don't have a problem with a large emotional religious group wanting to bomb everything they can or kill various unbelievers. Clearly the rule of law is missing in Pakistan, and that may be the reason for the corruption and cynicism of the people. Non-military leadership is also not extant nor, seemingly, forthcoming, no charismatic person is on the horizon. What seems to me to be happening is some kind of populist hysterical love for their Islamic foundation in late '40's. This is aided and abetted by the past military regimes use of such hysteria to create fighters in Afghanistan and Kashmir.
(09-24-2011, 05:53 PM)jt Wrote: [ -> ]Usually good and/or strong governments don't have a problem with a large emotional religious group wanting to bomb everything they can or kill various unbelievers.

Special case here, your large emotional group is the entire Pak population of nearly 200 millions.

Deb(IL)ka todays talks about possible military clashes with Paks... it seems the boy found one more country to mismanage... and this all makes me wonder: if we at war with Paks, will we reduce the amount of aid they get?
I think conventional Washington wisdom would probably increase aid to Pakistan if we were to retaliate.