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Deb(IL)ka, but the story is real and you can find more articles.

This appears to be the first real instance of cyberwarfare in history.
Yes, most interesting Michael. This is the ultimate Tar Baby, and the more they strike out at it, the worse their predicament. Now, that part of the thing I like best. Wink1

Perhaps this is the Israeli way of attacking them? Perhaps this is destroying all of their nuclear computer programs? What a delicious irony.
Stratfor believes that this worm's sophistication is beyond the abilities of an individual or a group; only a small number of countries are capable of manufacturing it. Israel is on the list.

I find it difficult to believe that a destructive worm cannot be corrected within a year (first versions of the worm were detected last summer)... but it seems to be the case.
mv Wrote:Stratfor believes that this worm's sophistication is beyond the abilities of an individual or a group; only a small number of countries are capable of manufacturing it. Israel is on the list.

I find it difficult to believe that a destructive worm cannot be corrected within a year (first versions of the worm were detected last summer)... but it seems to be the case.

What is interesting is that Israel has the most to gain from this. They also have plausible deniability, just as they do with the nuclear weapons issue. Everyone knows they are capable of such, and they steadfastly deny it, so there is no proof available.

But let's assume they did not insert the worm. Then who? If it went in last year, I find it hard to believe Imam Obama would have approved. So, if the US was guilty, it would have had to be an unsanctioned act. That would be highly unlikely, I think.

Russia perhaps? Or PRC? Who would benefit, strategically, for doing such?
India is another possibility; plus EU; plus I'd not totally dismiss Turkey (lots of hacking is done by the Turks). Of course, Israel is high on the suspect list, but someone else might have been involved too. For example, some France might have been interested in a reporting Trojan horse only.... but sloppy programming added a malware aspect to it. A low-probability explanation, but not impossible.

Of course, it is a meaningless coincidence that this article was published in Israel at about the same time as Stuxnet first emerged. Wink1

Everyone has denyability and we may never know who did it. But I'm not so sure about:

Quote:What is interesting is that Israel has the most to gain from this.

Israel has nothing to gain unless the worm REALLY cripples the Iranian program OR provided back detailed info. We don't know if either is the case yet.... If the worm was merely an irritant, Israel is inviting an assymetric response only, which may be good or not.
This paragraph has a lot of 'pregnant' implications, don't you think?

Quote:Langner thinks that it's possible that Bushehr may have been infected through the Russian contractor that is now building the facility, JSC AtomStroyExport. Recently AtomStroyExport had its Web site hacked, and some of its Web pages are still blocked by security vendors because they are known to host malware. This is not an auspicious sign for a company contracted with handling nuclear secrets.
Lots of noise and lots of room for speculation. Generally, it is difficult to find out where an infection came from post factum .... not sure I want to speculate myself, but let me still notice :oops: that it is not impossible for Israelis to have Russian connections... a lot of scientists moved from Russia to Israel and there are contacts (and agents) both ways.
mv Wrote:Lots of noise and lots of room for speculation. Generally, it is difficult to find out where an infection came from post factum .... not sure I want to speculate myself, but let me still notice :oops: that it is not impossible for Israelis to have Russian connections... a lot of scientists moved from Russia to Israel and there are contacts (and agents) both ways.

You're right. That is why I quoted that part, because so many Russian Jews are now in Israel, and most certainly still have contacts in Russia, where something could have been slipped in between the sheets. In fact, that is my candidate as the most likely route.
True, but still only a speculation. Russians could have done this too (Putin does not need uranium refinement in Iran), and btw yet another candidate is Siemens (under US pressure) -- it is much easier to develop a virus to operate in your own software than to do this from outside. Or simply install "an update" trapdoor and upload a virus later.
Hmm... an Israeli signature in the virus?

Anyone (I guess Palladin or Ron) wants to opine on this Myrtus thing?
Now it has shown up in China. This is really getting interesting.
Here is what Thayer's Bible Dictionary says:
Quote:Hadassah = "myrtle"
1) queen Esther's Jewish name

Further explanation is that the myrtle tree was known for its sweetness of fragrance and lovely form, and the name came to be associated with sweetness and lovely form in a woman. The Jewish name Hadassah means myrtle. Note this passage in the book of Esther: "And Mordecai had brought up Hadassah, that is, Esther, his uncle's daughter, for she had neither father nor mother. The young woman was lovely and beautiful. When her father and mother died, Mordecai took her as his own daughter." (Esther 2:7; NKJV) Esther was the Persian name given to Hadassah. Ancient Persia is now modern Iran.

So ironies abounding can be seen in the choice of "Myrtus" as a project name in the military Stuxnet worm.

In the story of Esther, a hateful enemy of the Jews (Haaman) contrived to get the king to issue a decree that on a certain date, all those who hated the Jews could rise up and kill them. But Esther intervened with the king at the risk of her own life on behalf of her people. The king then turned against Haaman, and modified the decree by reversing it so that the Jews could rise up and kill all those who had planned to kill them on the appointed date. Haaman himself was hung on the very scaffold he had built upon which he had planned to hang Mordecai.
Oh crap... I did not know that Myrtus is a valid synonym. :oops: The rest is clear. Thanks.
This worm has Israel written all over it
neorealist Wrote:This worm has Israel written all over it

I agree. But we are still left to wonder who actually wrote it.
John L Wrote:I agree. But we are still left to wonder who actually wrote it.

Iranian dissidents?
JohnWho Wrote:
John L Wrote:I agree. But we are still left to wonder who actually wrote it.

Iranian dissidents?

JW, now that you mention it, is there a cadre of Iranian Geeks living in exile? Wink1
I should have added that myrtus is the genus name of the plant commonly refered to as myrtle. Just to complete the logical chain.

The Stuxnet worm does not sound to me like something the average amateur hacker would be capable of producing. This is a professional job. Israeli intelligence is a credible source, since Israelis are some of the smartest people on the planet, and their cyberwar unit probably has plenty of support. There may be some other government intelligence units in the world that could have done it, but they wouldn't have nearly as much motive as the Israelis, and anyone else who might have done it probably would not be inclined to try to implicate the Israelis. Why bother, since no one can prove anything anyway?

I say the Israelis probably did it, and more power to them. Let the Iranians squeal all they want. It is a fair coup, especially against a government that has sworn to destroy Israel and is trying to develop the means. It is far less violent than bombing Iran's uranium enrichment facilities--which is probably the only other option. Unless Mossad has sufficient human resources in Iran to plant bombs at the facilities, if they can get past the security--which would require squad-sized and maybe even company-sized units.
Interesting topic. The Israelis are the obvious culprit, which in the world of subterfuge, makes them a useful fall guy as well, for misdirection. I wouldn't put it past the Pentagon to have a black ops program that was put into action outside of the Obama chain of command. In light of Obama's personal disregard for his generals, it wouldn't be a stretch for the generals to follow the Constitution first, and the elected leader, second.

Seems to me that considerable inside information had to be developed before the virus was created, which means internal Iranian involvement or equivalent moles within the Iranian ranks. Israel is the definition of successful moles - so that points to them as well. If we were to do this Myrtle thing, then we would need to coordinate with Israeli moles to get it done.

Having the ability to control the computer systems from outside, also means the penetration via espionage of everything in the computer network. This means whoever did this knows everything Iran has and what plans and operations are in the works, both militarily and politically. If you want to gauge the downfall of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, start the stopwatch now.
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