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Study: Illegal immigrants having more kids in US
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We need to change it so that kids born to illegals are not citizens. That is how it used to be.

Study: Illegal immigrants having more kids in US

By HOPE YEN
Associated Press Writer
Published: Tuesday, Apr. 14, 2009 - 7:08 am
Last Modified: Tuesday, Apr. 14, 2009 - 8:37 am

Quote:WASHINGTON -- Growing numbers of children of illegal immigrants are being born in this country, and they are nearly twice as likely to live in poverty than those with American-born parents, a report says.

The study released Tuesday by the Pew Hispanic Center highlights a growing dilemma in the immigration debate: Illegal immigrants' children born in the United States are American citizens, yet they struggle in poverty and uncertainty along with parents who fear deportation, toil largely in low-wage jobs and face layoffs in an ailing economy.

The analysis by Pew, a nonpartisan research organization, estimated that 11.9 million illegal immigrants lived in the U.S. Of those, 8.3 million were in the labor force as of March 2008, making up 5.4 percent of the U.S. work force, primarily in lower-paying farming, construction or janitorial work.

Roughly three out of four of their children - or 4 million - were born in the U.S. In 2003, 2.7 million children of illegal immigrants, or 63 percent, were born in this country.

Overall, illegal immigrants' children account for one of every 15 students in kindergarten through 12th grade.

Illegal immigrants also have become more geographically dispersed, increasingly passing up typical destinations like California in favor of jobs in newly emerging Hispanic areas in Southeastern states like Georgia and North Carolina.

In 2008, California had the most illegal immigrants at 2.7 million, double its 1990 number, followed by Texas, Florida, New York and New Jersey. Still, California's 22 percent share of the nation's illegal immigrant population was a marked drop-off from its 42 percent share in 1990.

The latest demographic snapshot comes as President Barack Obama is preparing to address the politically sensitive issue of immigration reform later this year, including a proposal to give illegal immigrants a path to citizenship.

Though their numbers have soared over the past two decades, the total number of illegal immigrants in the U.S. has declined or remained flat in the last few years. Demographers attribute that to slower rates of migration into the U.S. caused in part by the recession, as well as to deportations and stepped-up immigration enforcement during the Bush administration.

Among the findings:

-One-third of the children of illegal immigrants live in poverty, nearly double the rate for children of U.S.-born parents.

-Illegal immigrants' share of low-wage jobs has grown in recent years, from 10 percent of construction jobs in 2003 to 17 percent in 2008. They also make up 25 percent of workers in farming and 19 percent in building maintenance.

-The 2007 median household income of illegal immigrants was $36,000, compared with $50,000 for U.S.-born residents. In contrast to other immigrants, illegal immigrants do not earn markedly higher incomes the longer they live in the United States.

-About 47 percent of illegal immigrant households have children, compared with 21 percent for U.S.-born residents and 35 percent for legal immigrants.

-About three-quarters, or 76 percent, of illegal immigrants in the U.S. are Hispanic. The majority came from Mexico (59 percent), numbering 7 million. Other regions included Asia (11 percent), Central America (11 percent), South America (7 percent), the Caribbean (4 percent) and the Middle East (2 percent).

Children of illegal immigrants hold a delicate place in the U.S. On the one hand, the Supreme Court ruled in 1982 that these children - whether they were U.S. citizens or not - were entitled to a public school education. California and a few other states also provide some college tuition breaks to illegal immigrants.

At the same time, the immigrants and their families are among the poorest people in the U.S., easily exploited by employers and subject to arrest at any time. Children who are U.S. citizens cannot petition for their parents to become legal U.S. residents until they are at least 21.

Earlier this year, the Homeland Security Department's inspector general found that more than 100,000 parents of U.S. citizens were deported over the decade ending in 2007, prompting the department to say it would gather more information about families before deporting immigrants.

The Pew analysis is based on census data through March 2008. Because the Census Bureau does not ask people about their immigration status, the estimate on illegal immigrants is derived largely by subtracting the estimated legal immigrant population from the total foreign-born population.

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scpg02 Wrote:We need to change it so that kids born to illegals are not citizens. That is how it used to be.
Totally agree.

Add to that English as the only national language - no requirements for multi-lingual programs.

Treatment of illegals should be permitted to protect the legal population - then the patient should be sent packing - no anchor family privileges.

Being born in the U.S. should not create an anchor baby.
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#3
Always like that.
They are poor because they make a lot of children.
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Fred,

Pure nonsense. America exists because my forefathers had lots more babies live than the native Indians did. We were wealthy way before we decided to commit suicide over here and so was Europe.


You seem to think the globe has X wealth and it must be fought over. That is not reality. The globe's wealth is exponentially greater in 2009 than 1000 AD when the human population was tiny.
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#5
You're are wrong what we need to do is allow for legal immigration that is how it used to be.

Immigrating legally is damn near impossible that is the problem.
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#6
No - legal immigration is available - but it must be according to the dictates of the nation being immigrated to. Sorry, not everyone is permitted to come. Apply and be accepted. If turned down, then improve your resumé.
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#7
Or how about eliminatiing the 80 + forms of bullshyt paperwork and garbage that the INS has used thus far recently?

Never used to be so hard to move to the US, even for people who really do qualify, and they number in the millions.

I've read too many Steyn articles on Immigration to say that the current UNS bureaucratic setup is worth a damn.
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#8
Immigrating to the US is factually impossible unless you are:

A) a millionaire
B) sponsored by a company in the US (which no one likes to do post 9/11)
C) win the Green Card Lottery

Pretty damn hypocritical if you ask me.

Reduce restrictions and eliminate welfare and healthcare for illegals and the illegal problem goes away.
"And down through the centuries the robes have never failed to keep the public at a respectful distance, inspire a decent awe for the professions, and impart an air of solemnity and mystery that has been as good as money in the bank. The four faculties of theology, philosophy, medicine, and law have been the perennial seedbeds, not only of professional wisdom, but of the quackery and venality so generously exposed to public view by Plato, Rabelais, Molière, Swift, Gibbon, A. E. Housman, H. L. Mencken, and others. What took place in the Greco-Roman as in the Christian world was that fatal shift from leadership to management that marks the decline and fall of civilizations." - taken from a speech by Hugh Nibley
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#9
But if we do that, then companies have to pay them regular wages.. and all of a sudden, the wealthy of this country won't want them here anymore. I see your point that legalizing immigration all of a sudden will make our leaders control it, but it won't happen.
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Fredledingue Wrote:Always like that.
They are poor because they make a lot of children.

Fred, having children is not a causality of poverty....it very well known that there a clear correlation b/t the two though.
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#11
I agree with the idea that there needs to be less paperwork for those immigrants, etc...

Also, it kind of annoys me that they have so many children when they're currently illegal in this country and they know it. What happens when the whole family has to be deported? That just makes it traumatic in a way for the children who grew up in an place that they thought was their home. the children would then see it as an type of exile.
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Palladin Wrote:Fred,

Pure nonsense. America exists because my forefathers had lots more babies live than the native Indians did. We were wealthy way before we decided to commit suicide over here and so was Europe.
You are wrong, Palladin. A lower population is the way to protect wealth for a majority of people of any country, and globally, in the future. There won't be any more economic growth as we knew it. We're running out of natural resources. The golden age is over. The nations with population growth are commiting suicide.
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quadrat Wrote:...We're running out of natural resources. The golden age is over.
Not so. Most natural resources are replenishing, and for those replenishing slowly technology changes the need for rare resources all the time. We are making faux diamonds and faux petroleum. It is not a closed system, and as Mankind spreads into the stars, it will be an ever growing potential.
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#14
Unless it's about energy, which must not be renewable.
"You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." Dick Cheney
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Aurora Moon Wrote:What happens when the whole family has to be deported?

That's why they call them anchor babies. The family can't be deported.
As Gary Lloyd said, "When the government’s boot is on your throat, whether it is a left boot or a right boot is of no consequence."
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#16
Quad,

That's just nonsense. The earth is far more wealthy globally now than 2000 BC. You guys do not understand the "value/wealth creation" of human potential. America has understood it and prospered. You folks see the economic assts as a static pie to be preserved or fought over. That is weird.

The wealth of Babylon does no longer exist,go figure out why.

Man,

I have a Chinese friend who works in a restaurant here. I asked her how she got here. She said her hubby is a scientist and she informed me exactly what you stated,it is extremely hard to get here legally unless you are top of the line. Farmers need not apply.

If the Mexicans followed the law,they'd be dead already of starvation.
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#17
These poeple are poor because they have too many children because they were risen with the believe that a lot of children will bring them support in the old age and also honnor and the power over something almost resembling a tribe.
That was true for their grand-parents, that wasn't true for the parents and it's even less true for them now. But they didn't adapt.

That was true for Palladin's ancestor. It's not true for him or his son.

These poeple are facing head first into a wall of poverty because they acted, for two generations already, with believes from another era.
Let's hope the currrent generation will finaly understand.

As Q said our world is a closed system with limited resources, or to be more exact with more and more expensive resources.
JohnL predicted two years ago that more land will be cultivated to produce bio fuel. Nope: What happened was that food prices went out of control.
Food, energy, land are things that grows more examsive directly with population growth.
Worse: advanced and semi-advanced labor become more exansive too as the education system doesn't gorw as fast as the population (at least in poor countries). Same with health care and public facilities.
Even if their governements were not corrupt and if they had the money and enough schools, they wouldn't have enough qualified personel to work for the modern facilities because too many of them think or thought until now that it was enough to know how to plow a land. Now they think it's enough to reach a western looking skyline city to earn a living, which is even further from the truth. But anway there is no money to educate them all.

The task is rendered even more discouraging when the number of kids is so enormous.

Aurora
The problem is not that they are illegal and with children or that they do intentionaly anchor children.
The problem is that in or outside the West (because the problem is the same in all developed countries), the big family model doesn't fit with the system.

They are destabilizing the system, because we are organised to live with a certain amount of population with small growth.
And that's the way it is. No place in the world can afford to have 15% more kids to cattle to schools (or what is called a school) and to medical supervision. Not Europe, not the Americas, not Asia, not Africa.

So when a poor latino or african family brings the overpopulation causes and problems to a country where the population already solved it, it's a shock.
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Palladin Wrote:Quad,
That's just nonsense. The earth is far more wealthy globally now than 2000 BC. You guys do not understand the "value/wealth creation" of human potential. America has understood it and prospered. You folks see the economic assts as a static pie to be preserved or fought over. That is weird.
The wealth of Babylon does no longer exist,go figure out why.

No. Because the economy grows much slowlier than demography. The economic growth just can't follow up with a doubling population every 20 years, for the reasons I explained above.

Unless of course you land on a empty continent with just a few indian tribes on it. But that was the conquest of the Americas, the Rush to the West, it was unique and has nothing to do with the present situation.
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...ledingue Wrote:No. Because the economy grows much slowlier than demography.
That is clearly not true for the world as a whole, if you really think about what Palladin said. Your statement might be true for some 3rd world countries today.

As another example, consider the green revolution. It banished hunger from every country that had the wisdom to accept it. Bad economic systems imposed by bad governmental systems are the culprits for condemning millions of people to an abysmal life in these days.

Regarding "anchor babies", there are a couple of solutions that never will happen. One is to get rid of the rule that says a child born on US soil is automatically a citizen. The other is to require the illegal alien parents of the child born in the US to leave the country, but allow the child citizen to return when reaching age 18.
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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TheMan Wrote:Immigrating to the US is factually impossible unless you are:

A) a millionaire
B) sponsored by a company in the US (which no one likes to do post 9/11)
C) win the Green Card Lottery

Pretty damn hypocritical if you ask me.

Reduce restrictions and eliminate welfare and healthcare for illegals and the illegal problem goes away.

I am currently taking an ethics class that is discussing this very same topic. I was completely shocked to see our immigrantion requirements and I have to agree with The Man. We just need to document these guys and send back the bad ones. There really is plenty of room for the people that really want to be here for the right reasons.

just the cost of some of the appeals documents for immigration would stagger the imaginiation. There is no way a poor family from a third world country could ever do it on their own.
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