10-30-2008, 12:27 PM
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10-30-2008, 12:49 PM
He is likely a Marxist,I doubt he gives 2 flips for religious ideas of any kind. If you had studied his Church doctrine,it had very little notice of Christ,it is a race based "whitey is evil" mentality and the way to heaven is to get whitey's cash and fork it over to black man.
There is a video here of him discussing his salvation via "lifting black man".
You didn't read it(and can't now,it's off the internet) and you might think he doesn't accept that nonsense,but he is a 20 year member of the "Church" and it's former Pastor is noted in his autobiography as a mentor and hero.
His friends have been from youth,Marxists,beginning with Frank Davis(also an admitted child molestor and proud of it) prominently listed in his autobiography repeatedly as a mentor, finding and befriending Marxist professors at college(this from his autobiography),Ayers and Dohrn of recent infamy and the secular Palestinian leftists among them Khalidi who the current LA Times video uproar is over.
You want a leftist America ,the question is do we? I fear we do.
10-30-2008, 01:00 PM
No. We want a middle of the road America. What certain hayseeds do not understand is that the US has had a VERY right wing government under the RIGHT WING republicans (who do indeed have FASCIST tendencies by the standard definition, not the revisionist right wing definition) and by right wing I mean people like Palin, Bush, and Reagan so to right wingers, a moderate looks like a communist. But it is all perception. Obama is just a moderate.
10-30-2008, 01:08 PM
We have a left America already,we haven't had what a conservative would call conservatism since before FDR. Reagan tried and failed to make serious changes that direction.
Your side has all the massive social programs going,you want medicine run by the government,you have a government enforced by law "savings" program that doesn't show any economic growth in social security. That is not "middle of the road". Now, we're seeing calls for the ending of 401K type programs in lieu of a new hyper social security under your lefty idea people.
It's left as left can be already w/o being like Moscow in 1917.
10-30-2008, 01:10 PM
You are simply wrong. It is your mental filters. I would blame your hayseed environment. I think it is too late for you to perceive objective reality.
10-30-2008, 01:20 PM
Palladin Wrote:He is likely a Marxist,I doubt he gives 2 flips for religious ideas of any kind.Palladin,
Marxism is very specific ideology that calls for the creation of a communist state and for the workers to overthrow their bosses through a class struggle.
If Obama was a Marxist I doubt he'd be friends with Warren Buffet. I doubt he'd be planning tax breaks for the middle classes (who Marx despised, referring to them as the petit-bourgeoisie).
More than any of this, Obama is pro-capitalist in its many shapes and forms, something Marx never was, he believed it symbolized the exploitation of the working man, the alienation of humans from nature and the creation of a slave society. Marx is the foremost thinker on capitalism and widely regarded as its inherent expert...but I doubt Obama agrees with him.
Lastly, Obama is a committed Christian and life long member of the Church he attends in Chicago. Marx (and also Marxists) view religion as the 'opium of the masses' the addictive drug the working class takes to numb the painful existence they endure under capitalism.
You cannot find me a religious Marxist...
âYou know, Iâve spent my entire life time separating the Right from the kooks.â - William Buckley
10-30-2008, 04:39 PM
but the man on talk radio said he was marxist :|
10-30-2008, 04:54 PM
For tenessee hillbillies anything that is not republican is marxist.
I don't believe one word of Palladin is telling about Obama's philosophy on the blacks and the white or that he is anti-white/pro-black. That sounds absurd given that Obama is not black, he is not even half black, he is half white. His mother is white. 2/3 of his electorate is white. his best friend, Ayers is white (no sorry, remove that), his vice president will be white etc...
He is not more pro-black than he is pro-muslim, even if he attended a pro-black church 20 years.
I myslef atended catholic church for years without endorsing, far from it, all the catholic doctrine.
Then because he has met Ayers in the past and has advocated a few equality ideas, he is a communist, a socialist, a marxist, a trotskist, a maoist, a Che-Gevarist, a pro-soviet etc without nuance.
As macabrom said Obama is endorsed by the most eminent and sucessful finance gurus. Yet he is still a communist.
10-30-2008, 05:30 PM
Why did Stalin meet constantly with Armand Hammer if communists and industrialists didn't get along(or in your case investors par excellance?).
You and Fred have not read of Obama's Church doctrine and now you can't,they took it off the net. However,here is a fairly extensive article about a black gentleman named James Cone. Mr. Cone is the godfather of "black liberation theology" in America.
It isn't important if one is Christian or Muslim,Farrakhan for example was awarded recently by Jeremiah Wright as an exemplar of black Americans and James in the article recognizes Malcolm X as an iconic figure as well as Dr. King. Jeremiah Wright is a protege of Dr. Cone's,Barack is a 20 year member of Wright's congregation.
IF you 2 read this article entirely and think Obama does NOT believe this trash,I would ask why he was a member for 20 years? FYI,this is not a traditional "dedicated Christian".
Incidentally,I actually DO understand the emotional reaction against white people among black folks,especially as late as say 1965,we have treated them like sh.it largely until then.
Were I black,I'd have been America's meanest radical,no doubt and I do recognize the damage done to our black Christians brothers by our arrogant past racism,unlike too many white Yanks,I do realize the problems we have caused. I've lived with black folks,I know them,I tend to think lots of commentators don't.
However,this myopia(and that's what this is this late in history) is nothing but an emotional revolt of the soul,holding onto hatred and anger instead of graciousness and forgiveness,THAT is a dedicated Christian in affect.
Yes,these black folks have every right to look at white folks from day 1 to about 1965 and see us collectively as not so good neighbors. Agreed.
However,today is so different from my youth it is incomporable and for these people to see Christ as black centric and in the skewed manner they do and to teach anger,retribution and racial seperatism is not "dedicated Christianity",it is exactly the opposite of the teaching of The Lord Himself and opposite of how He conducted business when He was reviled,falsely charged,then murdered.
Jesus prayed for those who persecuted/murdered Him,no human,Christian,black or fake,can teach honorably that Christianity is anything BUT graciousness,forgiveness and second chances,forgiving wrongs done to us,always giving everyone the benefit of the doubt until we have no other choice.
We rarely do that,I lament that personally for myself,but to teach this level of myopia,race centric lie about Christ is NOT dedicated Christianity,it is blasphemy,just like my forefathers taught down here when they felt it was A-OK to own black humans as property.
FYI,that arrogance on our part cost us 40% of our menfolk DEAD in 3 years. Here's the article,please read it thoroughly. Barack Obama may not share these beliefs,but I'm a Church goer,I simply cannot imagine attending the same Church and disagreeing with it's basis. What is the reason for THAT?
10-31-2008, 02:15 PM
Does one has to believe the extreme view and the extreme interpretation of this view to belong to this church.
I have read a little bit from the article: It's not only blackocentrist and very narrow minded it's americanocentrist. Such theology won;t hold water as soon as you leave the north american continent.
It's a typical american phenomenon. Even in South Africa they didn't go that far (because their own blacks suck there). This guy should tour africa and see Liberia, Congo, Sudan,... then he will tell us about what he thinks of the blacks.
I don't think Obama who knows Africa, believes that garbage.
11-01-2008, 01:35 PM
mcabromb Wrote:He attends a Anti-American church with a vitrolic leftist speaker. The United Church of Christ is not a mainstream Christian church..........they have supported leftist programs for years.Palladin Wrote:He is likely a Marxist,I doubt he gives 2 flips for religious ideas of any kind.Palladin,
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. --Thomas Jefferson
11-01-2008, 05:42 PM
It doesn't mean Obama adopted or is even influenced by the most extreme ideas of this church doctrine.
Obama might have a sympathy for the black cause, since he is himself of black descent, but he has never said he supported Wright's views on every topics.
Obama attended the church for religion, not to find inspiration for his political program. If that was the case the democrats would have choosen rev. Wright instead of him.
11-01-2008, 06:11 PM
Fredledingue Wrote:It doesn't mean Obama adopted or is even influenced by the most extreme ideas of this church doctrine.Thus, the real question is: Was Wright's church focused on religion or politics? If religion, BHO is excuplated, if politics, he is not.
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
11-01-2008, 06:14 PM
jt Wrote:Thus, the real question is: Was Wright's church focused on religion or politics? If religion, BHO is excuplated, if politics, he is not.
Depends on exactly what the tenets of the religion are, doesn't it?
I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
11-05-2008, 08:54 AM
SoloNav Wrote:He attends a Anti-American church with a vitrolic leftist speaker. The United Church of Christ is not a mainstream Christian church..........they have supported leftist programs for years.
I thought he was a Muslim?
âYou know, Iâve spent my entire life time separating the Right from the kooks.â - William Buckley
11-05-2008, 01:25 PM
Fredledingue, the problem is that Obama attended this church for 20 years. No one attends a church for 20 years unless they are comfortable with what is being taught there.
11-05-2008, 02:17 PM
my problem with this is that for years and years i have had to put up with how much a fundamental christian Bush is and how it is wrong for this country, yet BHO gets elected after sitting their in that pew for YEARS subjecting his children to that vitriol and racism, and gets a pass.
11-05-2008, 03:28 PM
Ron Lambert Wrote:Fredledingue, the problem is that Obama attended this church for 20 years. No one attends a church for 20 years unless they are comfortable with what is being taught there.
He didn't go there for what's being thaught. After all the reverend doesn't teach anything, he only tells whath disgruntled blacks from Chicago wants to hear. Everybody knows it's a show.
Obama attended this church because he wanted to be in sight of everyone and that evrybody knows he is there.
As a half white from Kansas, he had to show that he was more pro-black than blacks if he wanted to be accepted in this area.
11-05-2008, 04:00 PM
So if McCain went to KKK rallies "just to be seen", it would be okay with you?
11-05-2008, 04:23 PM
No cuz everybody at KKK meetings has his face hiden. 8)
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