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#61
Monsieur Le Tonk Wrote:Not quite. The cartoon alludes to Oscar Wilde's play "The Importance of Being Earnest", a satire on Victorian hypocrisy. The woman portrayed as Lady Bracknell (with torture equipment spilling from her handbag) is Britain's former head of MI5 Eliza Manningham-Buller who has recently claimed that she and MI5 had no idea that the US was using torture to obtain information.

Regardless, he is still a buffoon. I'm sure some psychologist has already had a field day with him and his personality. And I am not saying this because he is a Leftist. I thoroughly enjoy Eric Flint's works, and he is a Leftie. But he has a good personality.

This individual is SICK in the head, just as is that Ted Rall character.
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#62
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'It's not who votes that matters, it's who counts the votes'  |  György Schwartz, Budapest, Hungary
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#63
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"Common sense is not so common" - Voltaire
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#64
The main comment I have on the Eliza Manningham-Buller cartoon is the incorrect idea that any torture was used to interrogate prisoners at Gitmo. It has already been settled in a quite liberal court of law that waterboarding was not torture.

To most sane people's thinking, it wouldn't matter much if it was, because getting the information to save lives (which it did) is much more important than discomfiting captured combatants who are outside the Geneva Conventions by their own choice and are not entitled to anything, including their lives. If they were put to death without a trial it would still be legal in every international court in existence.

I assume Eliza Manningham-Buller has a similar argument, which makes the cartoonist not only wrong but seditious.
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#65
In the UK waterboarding is considered a form of torture, Manningham-Buller is a UK citizen and was head of Britain's MI5 during the period that the US were using the technique extensively.
"Common sense is not so common" - Voltaire
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#66
The USA never used waterboarding extensively.

If the UK thinks it is torture then that is their error. I guess it is evil incarnate to question an enemy combatant who is not under the geas of the Geneva Convention, and who has shown no compassion of his own, in order to save others.

Because the British papers denigrated Eliza Manningham-Buller does not mean she was wrong.
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#67
WmLambert Wrote:Because the British papers denigrated Eliza Manningham-Buller does not mean she was wrong.
But she was either being disingenuous or a dupe.
"Common sense is not so common" - Voltaire
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#68
I guess we need some more details on whatever you claim she knew that she did not disclose. What was claimed and what was proven? Since waterboarding is only torture in the eyes of those who prefer appeasement to victory, the fight is sometimes on the level of PR as well as on the battlefield. Since the media in the UK is hapless and hopeless, it is easy to distrust news reports.
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#69
:lol: I'm not claiming anything, go read the newspapers yourself!
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#70
Tonk,

We used it in 3 seperate instances. Not even other terrs have claimed we did.

Sheik Mohammad and 2 others whose Arabic names escaped my memory. That's not "extensive" considering the total number of folks captured by us since 2001.

It probably is psychological torture,so is being put in a POW camp or in prison.
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#71
IMF/EMU medicine for Ireland.

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(Taoiseach Brian Cowen and UK Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne)
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#72
:?: Perhaps an explanation would help.
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#73
Ireland has mixed feelings over multi-billion euro IMF bailout

Ireland: AIB crisis shows UK must help bailout to save its own banks
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#74
Got you. And as usual, it is pretty much a given, that no matter how much 'Supply-Side' programs instituted, if the Collectivists take charge, they will still spend a winning proposition into insolvency.

That is the reason why all developed countries need to go on a building spree: one that builds thousands of sanitariums, where all the Collectivist Kooks can be housed, in order to protect everyone, including themselves, from themselves. The high cost in sanitariums would still be cheaper than allowing all the Kooks remain at large, wrecking economies.

Those Collectivist Kooks, who manage to mature intellectually, and shed their primitive condition, can be released into the general public, on a gradual, and probationary, basis.
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#75
Are these banks failing because of ridiculous mortgage loans like we did here?
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#76
For Palladin, some understanding here:- Irish Times: Report finds 'major failures' in regulation of Irish banks

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#77
Tonk,

Thanks for this.

Here in the states,our government actually encouraged our banks to make risky real estate loans from the late 1990s until 2008.

The banks then,to compensate for the risk reward imbalance,became very creative and their greed was allowed to explode w/o check.

They actually tried hard to sell mortgages that were :

1)Flexible rates

2)No principle payment for 7 years

3)Almost guaranteed to re=possess the home every 7-8 years

So long as the property values kept climbing,it was heaven for the state and the banks.

I wonder if the Irish "regulation failure" was a literal encouragement like we did or did their banks just go off the deep end?
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#78
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'It's not who votes that matters, it's who counts the votes'  |  György Schwartz, Budapest, Hungary
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#79
Not a cartoon...here is a Norwegian post stamp with night view of Spb, Russia:
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Sodomia delenda est

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#80
Muslim extremists have mark this Muslim comic for death over the following:
'It's not who votes that matters, it's who counts the votes'  |  György Schwartz, Budapest, Hungary
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