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Chavez Tightening Grip On Venezuela Further
#1
As usual, tyrants thirst for absolute power, and today Socialism and Fascism are the flavours of choice. With Maximum Leader Hugo Chavez, he is in the process of tightening his grip over how young children are to be educated/indoctrinated.

Quote:Chavez threatens to take over schools

By SANDRA SIERRA, Associated Press Writer
Mon Sep 17, 7:46 PM ET

President Hugo Chavez threatened on Monday to take over any private schools refusing to submit to the oversight of his socialist government, a move some Venezuelans fear will impose leftist ideology in the classroom.

All Venezuelan schools, both public and private, must submit to state inspectors enforcing the new educational system. Those that refuse will be closed and nationalized, Chavez said.

A new curriculum will be phased in during this school year, and new textbooks are being developed to help educate "the new citizen," added Chavez's brother and education minister Adan Chavez in their televised ceremony on the first day of classes.

For those who state that socialism is benign and peaceful, all one has to do is watch the slow grip of tyranny being imposed in Venezuela and under Chavez. It's akin to watching a train wreck in slow motion, and there is no way one can turn it off.

And as usual, he is very explicit about how he will impose his State enforced regulations, even amongst private institutions.

Quote:Education based on capitalist ideology has corrupted children's values, he said. "We want to create our own ideology collectively — creative, diverse." Chavez said Venezuelans — not Cubans as opponents suggest — have been drawing up the new curriculum, but added that Venezuela could always accept Cuban help in the future.

Venezuela has more than 160 universities and colleges, most of which maintain their independence. Leftist ideology is already part of the curriculum at seven different state universities. But encouraging students nationwide to read up on Guevara, Castro and Friedrich Engels' speech before Marx's tomb would be something new entirely
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#2
I'm surprised the Venezuelans put up with this nonsense. It's one thing to be ignorant and want the "gubmint" to pay for this or that,but he's pretty much saying everyone has to agree with my ideas or bad things get to happen.

Venezuelans will have no one but Venezuelans to blame for their poverty which will be more than loss of wealth. I guess this is a good case showing guys like Chavez ,while dictators,are doing the dictating with the support of a majority of the people,like Stalin and Castro.
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#3
What, precisely, can the Venezuelans do about Chavez? He was not long ago awarded temporary dictatorial powers by the legislature. Same old story. What, for example can the Cubans do about the Castro brothers? If you skim off the revolutionaries, the rest are sheep.
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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#4
Let's see. They elected him,they re-elected him and they elected the Parliament.
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#5
Do you think that there will be any more elections that are anywhere near fair?
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#6
John,

I don't think so,but this is what the vast majority voted for,they probably aren't interested in anymore elections. Chavez is what their "apotheosis" image is.

Russians didn't vote for Stalin,but they revered him and millions flooded Moscow to witness his image after his death. Joe Stalin would have won a free and open election the day he died against a Russian version of Ronald Reagan.

It will be the same with Castro,Cubans worship the man. Mostly,those who don't now live here,that's probably 20% "anti"

This idea in America we have that tyrants like Chavez just force their way on people is nonsense,the people want them. He got there by election,Castro,Stalin and Mao by the gun,but each was extremely admired by the vast majority. If the vast majority opposed them,they would have won the shooting phase and if not they would have collapsed like the USSR did when it did.

I'm hoping for this in Iran,but if it doesn't happen,you can assume most of them prefer the status quo to the chaos of the unknown.
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#7
Save the whining. The American president has greater constitutional powers than the Venezolanian one. This inspite the many mental disadvantages of Mr Bush, compared to Senor Chavez.
"You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." Dick Cheney
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#8
quadrat Wrote:Save the whining. The American president has greater constitutional powers than the Venezolanian one. This inspite the many mental disadvantages of Mr Bush, compared to Senor Chavez.

Uncle Ugo must be a real mental genius then, correct?
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#9
Apart from Alzheimer cases, who isn't? :lol:
"You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." Dick Cheney
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#10
quadrat Wrote:Save the whining. The American president has greater constitutional powers than the Venezolanian one. This inspite the many mental disadvantages of Mr Bush, compared to Senor Chavez.

No, that is inaccurate. In fact I have spent this past year divesting in Venezuela because of the presidents vast powers to not only take over businesses at will (in the name of the people of course) but also to sent out goons to attack store fronts.

You have no idea how much power he welds, as he builds a private army that is not loyal to Venezuela but himself.
"I detest the man who hides one thing in the depths of his heart and speaks forth another"
-Homer
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#11
Just a lucky shot by me. Wink1 Didn't think anybody, even not drgonzaga knows their constitution.
"You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." Dick Cheney
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#12
quadrat Wrote:Just a lucky shot by me. Wink1 Didn't think anybody, even not drgonzaga knows their constitution.

You would be wrong then. Even I know it pretty well. I've reread it twice this year alone. The US Constitution is remarkedly brief and to the point.
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#13
And speaking of constitutions, here is the latest news on the referendum in Venezuela. The most sickening thing is that all this is being done by the citizenry of the country to themselves. It is the perfect example of what concerned our Founders about the evil word "Democracy", where the majority would impose tyranny upon the minority. And all to give complete control to one man, who has promised most of them something for nothing.

Quote:Big day looms for Venezuela
By Simon Romero
Friday, November 16, 2007


CARACAS: In two weeks, Venezuela could be starting an extraordinary experiment in centralized socialism fueled by oil. By law, the workday would be cut to six hours. Street vendors, housewives and maids would have state-mandated pensions. And President Hugo Chávez would have significantly enhanced powers and be eligible for re-election for the rest of his life.

A new constitution, expected to be approved by referendum Dec. 2, is both bolstering Chávez's popularity among people who will benefit and stirring contempt from economists who declare it demagoguery. Signaling new instability here, dissent is also emerging from among his former lieutenants, some of whom say the president is carrying out a populist coup.

"There is a perverse subversion of our existing Constitution under way," said General Raúl Isaías Baduela, a retired defense minister and former confidant of Chávez's who broke with him this month and defected to the political opposition. "This is not a reform," Baduel said in an interview. "I categorize it as a coup d'état."

Chávez loyalists already control the National Assembly, the Supreme Court, almost every state government, the entire federal bureaucracy and newly nationalized companies in the telephone, electricity and oil industries.

Soon they could control even more. But this is an upheaval that would be carried out with the approval of the voters. While polls in Venezuela are often tainted by partisanship, they suggest the referendum could be Chávez's closest electoral test since his presidency began in 1999, but one he is still likely to win.

"We are witnessing a seizure and redirection of power through legitimate means," said Alberto Barrera Tyszka, co-author of a best-selling biography of Chávez. "This is not a dictatorship but something more complex: the tyranny of popularity."

One of the 69 amendments to the Constitution would allow Chávez to create new administrative regions, with rulers called vice presidents chosen by him. Critics said the reforms would also shift funds from states and cities, where a handful of elected officials still oppose him, to communal councils, new local governing entities that are predominantly pro-Chávez.

You can read the rest of this sad tale at the link provided above. S7
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John L Wrote:And speaking of constitutions, here is the latest news on the referendum in Venezuela. The most sickening thing is that all this is being done by the citizenry of the country to themselves. It is the perfect example of what concerned our Founders about the evil word "Democracy", where the majority would impose tyranny upon the minority. And all to give complete control to one man, who has promised most of them something for nothing.

You can read the rest of this sad tale at the link provided above. S7
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Well... The problem is that Chavez is very popular in Venezuela. An indication that people want the changes he impose.

Isn't that good? How about the popularity of Pres. Bush? Far less than Chavez.....

/track_snake
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#15
T_S, could you please do me a favour? If you are going to quote someone, could you delete what you are not using to make your point, and just use what is relevent? I am asking this because I have to pay each month for a certain amount of storage space, and I am close to having to up the monthly lease with my host provider. The less we are redundent, the longer I can go without having to pay more on a monthly basis. S6
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#16
John,
Quote:The most sickening thing is that all this is being done by the citizenry of the country to themselves. It is the perfect example of what concerned our Founders about the evil word "Democracy", where the majority would impose tyranny upon the minority.
having a problem with democratic majority decisions, don't you? Of course, it's the opposite of the American way, where the minority imposes tyranny upon the majority.
Viva Hugo! Kick some American ass! I love to see figures like John reveal their nazi minds. :lol:
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#17
The Q inverts all for the sake of Loki:
Quote:Viva Hugo! Kick some American ass! I love to see figures like John reveal their nazi minds.

Majorities should arrange for political decisions but they should never be permitted to undermine institutional integrity except in the instance where numbers are markedly preponderate and signal societal change. If you've ever sat and listened to Señor Presidente you would understand, Q, the total absence of respect for institutional stability for the sake of personal power.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the former."

Albert Einstein
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#18
quadrat Wrote:John,
Quote:The most sickening thing is that all this is being done by the citizenry of the country to themselves. It is the perfect example of what concerned our Founders about the evil word "Democracy", where the majority would impose tyranny upon the minority.
having a problem with democratic majority decisions, don't you? Of course, it's the opposite of the American way, where the minority imposes tyranny upon the majority.
Viva Hugo! Kick some American ass! I love to see figures like John reveal their nazi minds. :lol:

The fact that I do not like the word "democracy" does not mean anything akin to what you allude "Q". Further, your use of the word "NAZI" is about to get you in trouble. Be careful how, and when you sling it at others, ok?
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#19
Track,

Consider also that Hitler and Stalin were extremely popular. Evil is evil whether are popular with the people or not. Our concern over this tin horned tyrant isn't what he intends to do with Venzuelans,that isn't our concern,it's what he intends to try and do against America.
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#20
drgonzaga Wrote:The Q inverts all for the sake of Loki:
Quote:Viva Hugo! Kick some American ass! I love to see figures like John reveal their nazi minds.

Majorities should arrange for political decisions but they should never be permitted to undermine institutional integrity except in the instance where numbers are markedly preponderate and signal societal change. If you've ever sat and listened to Señor Presidente you would understand, Q, the total absence of respect for institutional stability for the sake of personal power.
drgonzaga,
don't we see societal change signalled? The exploitation of Venezolanian riches by foreign, especially American capital has been limited and will be limited further in the near future, the very reason why you folks are goaded on to hate Chavez (Viva Hugo!), though, what had been your personal profit?
The profits formerly pocketed by Exxon & Co (that's what you call "institutional integrity") are being rerouted into the pockets of so far underprivileged Venezolanians. Must be quite a lot of money, petrol approaching $ 100 a barrel. Ok, watching it from all angles, I can see nothing evil in that. Quite the opposite, it's exactly the right thing to do if you want solid growth, freedom and democracy, to benefit as many people as possible. :lol:

Sorry John,
poor choice of words. I meant high-mindedness.
"You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." Dick Cheney
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