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Honor Killing: Horror Under The Head Scarf
#21
And speaking of honour Killing, there is this little tidbit,.................again.

Quote:Iran: Father 'stones 14-year-old daughter to death'

Tehran, 18 Feb. (AKI) - A man known as Sharif has reportedly stoned his fourteen-year-old daughter to death in southeastern Iran because for allegedly having a relationship with a man.

Sharif's wife reported him to police after he and a friend killed the girl in Zahedan, capital of Baluchistan province.

Sharif showed no sign of remorse, telling police who interrogated him: "I suspected that my daughter had a relationship with a man and I had to stone her to death as she had besmirched my honour."

"I had no other choice," he said, telling police how he had carried out the stoning.

Two sisters, Azar and Zohreh Kabiri, 27 and 28 years-old respectively were earlier this month sentenced to death by stoning for allegedly committing adultery.

The women each have one child. They are from the suburb of Shahriar, near Karaj, north of the capital, Tehran.

The Kabiri sisters have already received 99 lashes each.
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#22
What kind of mind (or religion) would lead a man to do this to his own daughter?
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#23
jt Wrote:What kind of mind (or religion) would lead a man to do this to his own daughter?

This tells you a great deal, not only about the religion, but also the society, which would condone such things. I can't decide if it is a case of pure evil, simple stupitidy, or a combination of that, and then some. People like this should not be allowed to pass on their genes to the next generation.
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#24
jt Wrote:What kind of mind (or religion) would lead a man to do this to his own daughter?
Here's a case where a Palestinian Christian father bludgeoned his daughter to death with an iron bar. Her crime? She loved a Muslim.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/jun/23/israel

Indeed, what kind of Religion would lead a man to do this to his own daughter?
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#25
Unfortunately, the so called Honor Killings occur in Islamic Societies. Even though victims of these crime are a small fraction of female baby and fetus killings of India and China, perpetrators of these crimes should be severally punished. We should not forget that before the spread of Islam in Arabia, baby females suffered the same faith as the baby females in India and China suffer today.

Here is what Islamic Scholars say about Honor Killings.
Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and an Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states:

“There is no such concept in Islam that is called “honor killing”. Islam holds every soul in high esteem and does not allow any transgression upon it. It does not allow people to take the law in their own hands and administer justice, because doing so will be leading to chaos and lawlessness. Therefore, based on this, Islam does not permit such killings.

First of all, in order to sanction killing, it must be through a binding verdict issued by an authoritative law court. Individuals themselves have no authority either to judge cases or pass judgments. Therefore, a Muslim should not sanction such killing because doing so will be leading to the rule of the law of the jungle. A civilized society cannot be run by such laws.”

Shedding more light on it, Sheikh `Atiyyah Saqr, former head of Al-Azhar Fatwa Committee, states:

“Like all other religions, Islam strictly prohibits murder and killing without legal justification. Allah, Most High, says, “Whoso slayeth a believer of set purpose, his reward is Hell for ever. Allah is wroth against him and He hath cursed him and prepared for him an awful doom.” (An-Nisa’: 93)

The so-called “honor killing” is based on ignorance and disregard of morals and laws, which cannot be abolished except by disciplinary punishments.

It goes without saying that people are not entitled to take the law in their own hands, for it’s the responsibility of the Muslim State and its concerned bodies to maintain peace, security, etc., and to prevent chaos and disorder from creeping into the Muslim society.”

Moreover, the eminent Muslim scholar, Sheikh Muhammad Al-Hanooti, member of the North American Fiqh Council, adds:

“In Islam, there is no place for unjustifiable killing. Even in case of capital punishment, only the government can apply the law through the judicial procedures. No one has the authority to execute the law other than the officers who are in charge.

Honor killing could be a wrong cultural tradition. It is unjust and inhumane action. The murderer of that type deserves punishment.
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#26
Just found the answer in the holy bible, the nutrionist Leviticus commented as follows:

"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. (Leviticus 20:9)"

and exodus says

"And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:17)"
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quadrat Wrote:Just found the answer in the holy bible, the nutrionist Leviticus commented as follows:

"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. (Leviticus 20:9)"

and exodus says

"And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:17)"

Christians pay much closer attention to the New Testament than the Old Testament, which is considered the book of History and Laws. Even Jews do not pay attention to such writing, as things are indeed changed. You never hear of Jews, or Christians, outside the world of Islam, who practice such. Only in Islamic sociey will you find this held over. It is nothing more than 7th-13st century mentality.

You would know that "Q" if you ever were exposed to Christianity, instead of the religion of the Collectivist State. So, you practice that religious faith.
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#28
If we search news to find killings in many various regions of the world, and blame these killings to the religions practiced in the areas where these killings occur, we could fill up this forum's International section with the news of killings. To our surprise we will find out that murder rates where the big majority of population is Christian, murder rates are also much higher than countries where other religions are practiced.

For example murder rate statistics show that Turkey with population of 70 million has lower murder rates than an average large city in the United States.

Should we blame these murders to the violent nature of Christians? I don't think so, but if some murders are blamed on Islam by people who don't know what Islam says about murders, some of us could take their lead and blame all killings in the world to the religions practiced in these regions.
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#29
There is some merit to your thesis "K". However, the US is a bit different than other, more homogenous societies. First, I was being specific about one type of killing, not killing in general.

Further, the US is a country of immigrants, and people with many different ethnic backgrounds. The US is one Huge Hetrogenous melting pot.

Also, society in the US is far more open and permissive, allowing for individuals to be,.............well, individuals. Yet that does not change the fact that honour killings, of one's family, is a predominant, almost exclusively within Islamic nations. And furthermore, if this ocurred in the US, the outrage would be heard from one coast to the other.

Do you disagree here?
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#30
It was the Sermon on the Mount, wherein Jesus said, "I come to fulfill the Law, not to change it." He then went on to explain the codifications in Leviticus that are meant to safeguard health and well-being - but not at the detriment of one's Holy soul.

Leviticus is by-and-large a retelling of generations of old-wives'-tales that were found to keep people alive. With the onward march of science, for instance, we now understand that pork harbors micro- and macro-organisms that transfer directly to infect humans, where such does not happen from other food sources. But we also learned that proper cooking overcomes this, and the prohibition against eating such foods has been overcome by Christian science.
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#31
The article you posted about stoning to death of two women in Iran could be blamed on Iran’s Sharia laws. As far as I know, the prescribed penalty for adultery was stoning to death by Judaism also.
Of course it is a shame to practice these archaic religious laws today, and I condemn it strongly.

The so called “honor killings” are not part of Islam or any other religion, and the practice of it in Middle East countries predates Islam. As far as my feelings about it, I feel that any relative who participates in honor killing or planning of it should get the severest legal punishment possible.
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#32
The whole point of the thread was to demonize Islam and to show how brutal it can be. Now that we have numerous examples of Christians smashing in their children's heads with rocks or beating their chidlren to death with iron bars, the whole context of the thread has changed. Now it's defending Christianity because it is not the norm for parents to kill their children. It is also most certainly not the norm for Muslims to do the same. It was all just a red herring to start with and it's all founded on insane Muslim hate. And that in turn is founded on fear.
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#33
On the contrary - honor killing, the subjugation of women and children as possessions is entirely bound up with Sharia Law.
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#34
WmLambert Wrote:On the contrary - honor killing, the subjugation of women and children as possessions is entirely bound up with Sharia Law.

You sound very sure about your statement, please give me some reference from Qaran to back up your statement about "honor killings".

Here is what I was thought and what Islamic Scholars say about Honor Killings.
Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and an Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states:

“There is no such concept in Islam that is called “honor killing”. Islam holds every soul in high esteem and does not allow any transgression upon it. It does not allow people to take the law in their own hands and administer justice, because doing so will be leading to chaos and lawlessness. Therefore, based on this, Islam does not permit such killings.

First of all, in order to sanction killing, it must be through a binding verdict issued by an authoritative law court. Individuals themselves have no authority either to judge cases or pass judgments. Therefore, a Muslim should not sanction such killing because doing so will be leading to the rule of the law of the jungle. A civilized society cannot be run by such laws.”

Shedding more light on it, Sheikh `Atiyyah Saqr, former head of Al-Azhar Fatwa Committee, states:

“Like all other religions, Islam strictly prohibits murder and killing without legal justification. Allah, Most High, says, “Whoso slayeth a believer of set purpose, his reward is Hell for ever. Allah is wroth against him and He hath cursed him and prepared for him an awful doom.” (An-Nisa’: 93)

The so-called “honor killing” is based on ignorance and disregard of morals and laws, which cannot be abolished except by disciplinary punishments.

It goes without saying that people are not entitled to take the law in their own hands, for it’s the responsibility of the Muslim State and its concerned bodies to maintain peace, security, etc., and to prevent chaos and disorder from creeping into the Muslim society.”

Moreover, the eminent Muslim scholar, Sheikh Muhammad Al-Hanooti, member of the North American Fiqh Council, adds:

“In Islam, there is no place for unjustifiable killing. Even in case of capital punishment, only the government can apply the law through the judicial procedures. No one has the authority to execute the law other than the officers who are in charge.

Honor killing could be a wrong cultural tradition. It is unjust and inhumane action. The murderer of that type deserves punishment.
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#35
The reasoned nuance by the honor killers comes from the Shiria Law that tells them women and children are chattel. Simple possessions. The Law also tells them they are responsible for keeping their possessions taken care of - but that does not make them safe.
Quote:Honor killings are the horrific outgrowth of the misogyny encouraged by Islam, which includes wife beating, sharia discrimination, child marriages, wife rape, female genital mutilation, the rape of captured slaves and polygamy.
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Quote:Honor killings are the horrific outgrowth of the misogyny encouraged by Islam, which includes wife beating, sharia discrimination, child marriages, wife rape, female genital mutilation, the rape of captured slaves and polygamy.


I could also go to one of the several thousands anti-Christian sites and get quotes which blame Christianity for Mass Murders, Serial Killers, rampant rapes, incest, genocides, etc., etc. However, without knowing the source and reasons for these quotations we can not put any value to them.

If I did what anti Islamist are doing here, I could flood these board with threads that blame Christians for all the wrong doings in the world.
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Kamil-
Quote:If I did what anti Islamist are doing here, I could flood these board with threads that blame Christians for all the wrong doings in the world.

That would make you an irrational Christian hater and it would also demonstrate *a fear of Christianity.

*which you may want to take the time to consider more closely for you own safety
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gray ghost Wrote:Kamil-
Quote:If I did what anti Islamist are doing here, I could flood these board with threads that blame Christians for all the wrong doings in the world.

That would make you an irrational Christian hater and it would also demonstrate *a fear of Christianity.

*which you may want to take the time to consider more closely for you own safety

You are correct.
However, I'm neither Christian Hater nor have time to waste with silly threads. If I did, at least I would post them in the "Religion" section of this board :idea:
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#39
It's quite obvious that you are not a Christian hater but it you are openly identifiable as a Muslim then you would be wise to be aware of the Christian threat to your wellbeing. Over a million dead Iraqis can't be wrong.
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#40
Kamil,

One could claim eskimoes create all terrorism,but one would have no proof.

We here don't need to make any claims about Islam and terrorism,we need only to read the paper every day . We don't make claims,we post news articles.
Your claim is they are not Muslims,I'd like to know what religion they belong to? Why does Islam have all these brainless idiots exploding claiming that they are Muslims and the other religions don't? Why is Bin Laden quite popular in most Islamic states? Are most those folks also not Muslims?
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