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Chinese Christians are converting by the Millions!
#41
Pepe, I sure am happy to see you discovered this six year old thread. Aren't you pleasantly surprised? S6
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#42
Pepe, I sure am happy to see you discovered this six year old thread. Aren't you pleasantly surprised? S6
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#43
The title of the topic piqued my interest "Chinese Christians are converting by the Millions!", I was curious to know what all these millions of Chinese Christians were converting to.

Needless to say it was the usual case of poor English usage, the title should more properly read "Chinese are converting to Christianity in their millions!"

However, I suspect as China becomes increasingly materialistic it's the poor being swayed by American Janis Joplin Christianity rather than by spiritual revelation. Buddhism eschews materialism as do the teachings of Jesus, but mainstream American Christianity ignores this and seeks to reconcile Mammon and the Nazarene; Jesus loves you and yes, if you pray hard enough, you will get your Mercedes Benz.
"Common sense is not so common" - Voltaire
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#44
The title of the topic piqued my interest "Chinese Christians are converting by the Millions!", I was curious to know what all these millions of Chinese Christians were converting to.

Needless to say it was the usual case of poor English usage, the title should more properly read "Chinese are converting to Christianity in their millions!"

However, I suspect as China becomes increasingly materialistic it's the poor being swayed by American Janis Joplin Christianity rather than by spiritual revelation. Buddhism eschews materialism as do the teachings of Jesus, but mainstream American Christianity ignores this and seeks to reconcile Mammon and the Nazarene; Jesus loves you and yes, if you pray hard enough, you will get your Mercedes Benz.
"Common sense is not so common" - Voltaire
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#45
Tonkmeister,

There is enough truth to your description there it is a tad bothersome to me to read it.

Seems like a French guy(what was his name??) visited over here very early on and wrote a work on his opinions of the Americans.

He had some very nice things to say,he also pointed out his view of us was we worshipped mammon. That was written in the ~ 1820 frame.

So,it stands to reason our corruption of Christianity to the extent we do that would tend to be along these lines.

We literally have one strain called the "prosperity Gospel". It is particularly hot in the black American community.
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#46
Tonkmeister,

There is enough truth to your description there it is a tad bothersome to me to read it.

Seems like a French guy(what was his name??) visited over here very early on and wrote a work on his opinions of the Americans.

He had some very nice things to say,he also pointed out his view of us was we worshipped mammon. That was written in the ~ 1820 frame.

So,it stands to reason our corruption of Christianity to the extent we do that would tend to be along these lines.

We literally have one strain called the "prosperity Gospel". It is particularly hot in the black American community.
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#47
de Tocqueville.
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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#48
de Tocqueville.
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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#49
Yep,ole Alexis.
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#50
Yep,ole Alexis.
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#51
Kamill Wrote:However, changing a religion would raise questions on what it would take to change other loyalties.
Religion is not a question of being loyal. Nobody has the duty to be loyal to their religion. You can get in and out of various religion as many times as you want, just like you change your shirts, it doesn't make you a less loyal person in general, nor less trustful, less reliable, less stable etc.
(one exception perhaps: converting to Islam a few days after 9/11)

A religion is practiced because you like it and because you enjoy the ceremonials and the gesture of praying and because you get some pleasure off.
Not because you belong to a group, a community or a place.

Changing religion is not a treason, it's a mark of self-respect and the ability to take decisions.
It's not immoral since, forcibly your new religion is in your view more moral than the former one.
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#52
Kamill Wrote:However, changing a religion would raise questions on what it would take to change other loyalties.
Religion is not a question of being loyal. Nobody has the duty to be loyal to their religion. You can get in and out of various religion as many times as you want, just like you change your shirts, it doesn't make you a less loyal person in general, nor less trustful, less reliable, less stable etc.
(one exception perhaps: converting to Islam a few days after 9/11)

A religion is practiced because you like it and because you enjoy the ceremonials and the gesture of praying and because you get some pleasure off.
Not because you belong to a group, a community or a place.

Changing religion is not a treason, it's a mark of self-respect and the ability to take decisions.
It's not immoral since, forcibly your new religion is in your view more moral than the former one.
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#53
Fredledingue Wrote:
Kamill Wrote:However, changing a religion would raise questions on what it would take to change other loyalties.
Religion is not a question of being loyal. Nobody has the duty to be loyal to their religion. You can get in and out of various religion as many times as you want, just like you change your shirts, it doesn't make you a less loyal person in general, nor less trustful, less reliable, less stable etc.
(one exception perhaps: converting to Islam a few days after 9/11)

A religion is practiced because you like it and because you enjoy the ceremonials and the gesture of praying and because you get some pleasure off.
Not because you belong to a group, a community or a place.

Changing religion is not a treason, it's a mark of self-respect and the ability to take decisions.
It's not immoral since, forcibly your new religion is in your view more moral than the former one.

"Changing Religion" Fred? What are you talking about here? Are you referring to changing from Christian, to Muslim, to pagan, to Taoist, to ........?

Or are you referring to "Changing Denomination", such as changing from Roman Catholic, to Baptist, to Lutheran, to Morman, or to....................?
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#54
Fredledingue Wrote:
Kamill Wrote:However, changing a religion would raise questions on what it would take to change other loyalties.
Religion is not a question of being loyal. Nobody has the duty to be loyal to their religion. You can get in and out of various religion as many times as you want, just like you change your shirts, it doesn't make you a less loyal person in general, nor less trustful, less reliable, less stable etc.
(one exception perhaps: converting to Islam a few days after 9/11)

A religion is practiced because you like it and because you enjoy the ceremonials and the gesture of praying and because you get some pleasure off.
Not because you belong to a group, a community or a place.

Changing religion is not a treason, it's a mark of self-respect and the ability to take decisions.
It's not immoral since, forcibly your new religion is in your view more moral than the former one.

"Changing Religion" Fred? What are you talking about here? Are you referring to changing from Christian, to Muslim, to pagan, to Taoist, to ........?

Or are you referring to "Changing Denomination", such as changing from Roman Catholic, to Baptist, to Lutheran, to Morman, or to....................?
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#55
Fredledingue Wrote:Nobody has the duty to be loyal to their religion.
God might disagree.
Different eyes see different things. Different hearts beat on different strings.
But there are times for you and me when all such things agree.
-Geddy Lee, Rush.
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#56
Fredledingue Wrote:Nobody has the duty to be loyal to their religion.
God might disagree.
Different eyes see different things. Different hearts beat on different strings.
But there are times for you and me when all such things agree.
-Geddy Lee, Rush.
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#57
Some people do associate their religion with their patriotism,this is what Kamil is expressing.

I entirely disagree with that view.

I am a Christian by choice,not birth. I have enjoyed very much living here and unless I have a fundamental change of heart,will die here.

Having said that,the USA comes in a far distant 2cd(or lower) to Christ with me,the 2 are not associated with each other and if the majority of fellow citizens are or become a different religious persuasion,I will remain loyal unless my conscience can't tolerate it and then I'd seek to emigrate out.
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#58
Some people do associate their religion with their patriotism,this is what Kamil is expressing.

I entirely disagree with that view.

I am a Christian by choice,not birth. I have enjoyed very much living here and unless I have a fundamental change of heart,will die here.

Having said that,the USA comes in a far distant 2cd(or lower) to Christ with me,the 2 are not associated with each other and if the majority of fellow citizens are or become a different religious persuasion,I will remain loyal unless my conscience can't tolerate it and then I'd seek to emigrate out.
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#59
Armadillo: God is transcendant to all religions, that's why he can't care less about what religion you follow (as long as it's monotheist -LOL-).

JohnL I mean,... whatever you may consider calling "changing of religion".

Chinese (to remain within the topic) are not disloyal to some should-be-more-asian faith. They just joined christianism because they like it. Like you like some types of movies or music or something cool.
Religion is a hobby, not a military service.
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#60
Armadillo: God is transcendant to all religions, that's why he can't care less about what religion you follow (as long as it's monotheist -LOL-).

JohnL I mean,... whatever you may consider calling "changing of religion".

Chinese (to remain within the topic) are not disloyal to some should-be-more-asian faith. They just joined christianism because they like it. Like you like some types of movies or music or something cool.
Religion is a hobby, not a military service.
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