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#21
I know two langauges, English and Spanish. I want to learn Arabic, French, German and Farci. Its going to be a challenge but I'll give it the old college try. :lol: Hey anon try rosetta stone for spanish, its great software.
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#22
English and Spanish. Only learned a few words of batsi-kop, and Rosetta Stone may have a program for that. Only a few words of Thai now.
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#23
I tried English, Japanese, French, Korean, Chinese, Spanish and even Hindu (when I was 16).
And all I know is two-bit English.
Maybe my next attempt will be Polish. At least I can beat Ukranians in the knowledge of their "pure language". Plus writings of Stanislaw Lem are really worth pains.
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#24
Born in Ohio. Lived there for a year. Then moved to Rochester, New York. Graduated, then lived in Florida then Georgia and plans for Chicago this summer.
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#25
Former East Germany, almost at the border to the West. Now the centre. Lived four years in Russia, Ural. Speak my native language, Russian, English and Spanish, learned the latter two recently only.
Most of you joined the US defence forces, I see. Is it really as bad as described in, say, "Full Metall Jacket" and lots other movies, that the will of the recruits is literally broken, with all this Y E S, S I R sh*t and such? I don't know, it's a disgrace for an alledgedly democratic country. In the East German Forces, communist, we would have kicked the butt of a sergant or officer well into the following week had he yelled at us like that. It wasn't the place for democratic decisions either, but one of mutual respect. We were no battle robots.
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quadrat Wrote:Former East Germany, almost at the border to the West. Now the centre. Lived four years in Russia, Ural. Speak my native language, Russian, English and Spanish, learned the latter two recently only.
Most of you joined the US defence forces, I see. Is it really as bad as described in, say, "Full Metall Jacket" and lots other movies, that the will of the recruits is literally broken, with all this Y E S, S I R sh*t and such? I don't know, it's a disgrace for an alledgedly democratic country. In the East German Forces, communist, we would have kicked the butt of a sergant or officer well into the following week had he yelled at us like that. It wasn't the place for democratic decisions either, but one of mutual respect. We were no battle robots.

With the US military, it is a form of a "rite of passage", in which yelling is the primary component. In the former Union of Soviet Socialists( don't know about DDR but assume much the same), hazing there is more physical in nature. Murder in former CCP training was quite common. If that is what you like best, you are a little strange "Q". And if you deny this, you are running in the wrong circles.
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#27
I live on the western coast of Canada, also known as the lower mainland. I was also born here and lived here till I was 7, at that time my mom moved us to a tiny cliquey town 300miles NE from here. At 18 I came back and vowed NEVER to live in the tiny town again. Been back here for 14yrs now, and I wouldn't have it any other way.
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#28
John,
don't confuse us with the Russians. They've won the war and forced heir idea of communism upon us, but were not respected by us. We ignored them. There were plenty of them to ignore, near the border, our town hosted some 40,000 Russian troops. Quite a lot compared to a population of 25,000. Seldom heard about private relationships, never marriages. One of our girls with a Russian occupier? Taboo.
I know about the rites in their armies, its inhuman.
And there's never a recruit in your armed forces who has the guts to reply to a yelling sergant, "Shut up, you bigmouth. I'm here voluntarily, to defend my country. A democratic country, based on mutual respect". No, I don't think so. We're back with Kerry, aint we? Wink1
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#29
I did not confuse you with CCP. If you look again, you will see where I state, " don't know about DDR but assume much the same". I really do not know, however, I am pretty certain that ALL former Warsaw Pact countries were required to use Soviet tactics, training, as well as equipment. Am I not correct here?
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#30
Weaponry was the same, other technologies often not. Uniforms were similar to those of the Wehrmacht. Tactics, training similar to the Red Army but not this obedience by fear sh*t. Rather convincing by reasoning. I guess it was the closeness to the 'enemy', who spoke like us, German. It's media were available 24/7.
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#31
John L Wrote:With the US military, it is a form of a "rite of passage", in which yelling is the primary component. In the former Union of Soviet Socialists( don't know about DDR but assume much the same), hazing there is more physical in nature. Murder in former CCP training was quite common. If that is what you like best, you are a little strange "Q". And if you deny this, you are running in the wrong circles.
Being dramatic here John, it was definetly not common, there were such regretful cases specially in the chaos of the 90s, but those were criminal outbreaks, the officer would get imprisoned for it.
In case of refusal to follow orders the officer had the option of:
-Punish the soldier with extra activities such as toilet cleaning, potato peeling, etc ("nariad" gate - I think)
-Punishing everybody with extra activities ensuring that the blamed soldier get a beating from his comrades
-Lock him up in a "gaubtvahta" - a cell on base territory (this practice was denied during the 90s, restored not long ago)
-As a last resort send him to "disbat" - discipline batallion, a military prison of sort
There were officers that were "physical", but that would mean risking your career in case such information would "come up".

I think I heard of u being an officer, how did u influence your most unwilling?
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#32
Oh and about the topic S2
Born in a small town 150km from Moscow, called Shajovskaia, lived in Moscow till 1996, when I went to Spain, came back in 2002 and since september 2006 I'm in Spain again.
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#33
I was born in Chicago. I spent a year, year and a half, on Barksdale AB near Shreveport LA when my dad was an AF doc, and then we moved back to Chicago. I grew up on the north shore (Skokie and then Highland Park).

I went to college in St. Louis (Wash U), and then spent a year learning in Israel. Came back to Boston for almost a year, and then moved to Israel, where I lived for the next 8 years.

Then I moved to NYC, lived there for about a year and a half, moved to the Santa Cruz CA area for 4.5 months, moved back to NYC for 3 months, and then back to Israel for about 3 years. Then back to New Hampshire for a month, Santa Cruz area for a bit over 3 years (with several moves, like from Santa Cruz to Seaside to Bonny Doon to Boulder Creek), and then back to Chicago. I feel like a bloody yo-yo. When we bought the house we're living in, the real estate guy asked how long we were planning on living there. I told him I was going to try and have the backyard rezoned so that I wouldn't even have to move again after I was dead.

My first language, obviously, was English, second Basic, and third Hebrew. I would love to learn Spanish and French and Russian and Arabic. I've had a year of college Arabic, a year of grad school German, and a year each of Akkadian and Sumerian (no, I'm not kidding).
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#34
Lisa Wrote:a year each of Akkadian and Sumerian (no, I'm not kidding).

Gilgamesh and Hammurabi anyone?
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#35
John L Wrote:
Lisa Wrote:a year each of Akkadian and Sumerian (no, I'm not kidding).

Gilgamesh and Hammurabi anyone?

<nod> In the original.
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#36
Lisa Wrote:
John L Wrote:
Lisa Wrote:a year each of Akkadian and Sumerian (no, I'm not kidding).

Gilgamesh and Hammurabi anyone?

<nod> In the original.

Does the Hammurabi Code Really go as such: "If a man shall..........(fill in the blank)......Then he shall surely die"?
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#37
John L Wrote:
Lisa Wrote:
John L Wrote:
Lisa Wrote:a year each of Akkadian and Sumerian (no, I'm not kidding).

Gilgamesh and Hammurabi anyone?

<nod> In the original.

Does the Hammurabi Code Really go as such: "If a man shall..........(fill in the blank)......Then he shall surely die"?

I don't think there's any equivalent of "surely". In Hebrew, "he shall surely die" is a translation of "mot yumat", or "death he shall die". There's "sakol yesakel", or "stoned he shall be stoned", which is translated as "he shall surely be stoned".

Hammurabi's code is known as Shumma Awilum, from the first two words of most of the lines in it. Shumma means "if", and is cognate to the Hebrew/Aramaic "shema", or lest. Awil means man. In the Bible, where it talks about Nebuchadnezzar's son Evil Merodach, his name was actually Awil Marduk, or "man of Marduk". In the Babylonian dialect, it was Amel Marduk, but it's the same name. The m and the w switch back and forth in different Akkadian dialects.

There's a line in the code that goes:

Shumma awilum in mar awilim uhtappid inshu uhappadu.

For those who know Hebrew, there's only one part about this which is hard.

Shumma (shema - if/lest) awilum (ish - a man) in (ein - eye) mar awilim (ben ish - son of a man) uhtappid (? - puts out), inshu (eino - his eye) uhappadu (? - will be put out). The verb "hapada" doesn't seem to have a Hebrew cognate, but it means "to be put out". So what it says is, "If a man puts out the eye of another man, his eye shall be put out."

The -um and -im are different case endings for the noun "awil". An awilum, or mar awilim (man, or son of a man) is used in Akkadian in contrast to a mushkenu, who was sort of a serf. In Hebrew, that'd be a misken, or a poor slob.
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#38
quadrat Wrote:And there's never a recruit in your armed forces who has the guts to reply to a yelling sergant, "Shut up, you bigmouth. I'm here voluntarily, to defend my country. A democratic country, based on mutual respect". No, I don't think so. We're back with Kerry, aint we? Wink1

Because it's disrespect to an NCO, who is also there b/c he/she volunteered, and shows you no respect till you've completed training and officially become a soldier. All part of the things you face to join the neat little club called the Army.

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So your saying that in your Army, or former Army, any private could just tell an NCO or Officer where he or she can go and do their own thing? Bah.
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#39
Its funny, my dad(he's an airline pilot who has flown quite a number of troops over to Kuwait recently, and during the first Gulf War) says he's always surprised by the extent to which grunts are treated like shit by their superior officers.
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Quote:So your saying that in your Army, or former Army, any private could just tell an NCO or Officer where he or she can go and do their own thing? Bah.
Not if you got a regular order, of course not. Insulting of an inferior or exzessive disciplining by a superior, however, was an offence and you were perfectly within your rights. We had a pretty good comradeship troughout the ranks, except for the big shots.
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