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Biden is Toast...
#81
I'm a big fan of the so -called intellectual dark web. One of the members Bret Weinstein said the following, and I think there is so much truth in it we should all be concerned:
"you have a large well armed white population that now has every reason to fear what comes next and mayhem is going to ensue." - Bret Weinstein 27th darkhorse podcast

If the protestors come to the suburbs things will get real very fast and I don't know what happens next.

If the corrupt DA in St. Louis charges someone for something when they were clearly within their rights. that sends a dangerous message not unlike when the SA in Germany were declared "hilfspolizei" and were more numerous and violent than the actual police and had the political cover to get away with their heinous acts. things are precarious and politicians aren't know for their courage.
"And down through the centuries the robes have never failed to keep the public at a respectful distance, inspire a decent awe for the professions, and impart an air of solemnity and mystery that has been as good as money in the bank. The four faculties of theology, philosophy, medicine, and law have been the perennial seedbeds, not only of professional wisdom, but of the quackery and venality so generously exposed to public view by Plato, Rabelais, Molière, Swift, Gibbon, A. E. Housman, H. L. Mencken, and others. What took place in the Greco-Roman as in the Christian world was that fatal shift from leadership to management that marks the decline and fall of civilizations." - taken from a speech by Hugh Nibley
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#82
JohnL
Way back in the 60s, in the US, blacks and whites were not allowed to sit side by side in a bus.
And you complained that Germans had laws for everything?

Today, in Europe, our liberty is limited by the taxes we have to pay. This is a worse impediment to free enterprise and purchase power.
But, besides that, we feel free.

For example, we have more freedom concerning abortion and prostitution. Two things I don't support but which I think should not be illegal. It can be discouraged by other means.

Only recently we started to be p***ed by the exhaust gas norms for cars in town. Search for "Euro 6".

If there is a threat to our liberties it comes from the environmentalists.
We call them The Watermelons: Green outside, Red inside. S5
Or the Green Khmers. There last call was for making vintage cars illegal. And now, they set up Climate Camps.

But with the Euro 6 norm and electric vehicles, we understand that their goal is to make us spend our money and restart the economy with consumption.

mv
Of Soros is not alone. And it's way more complex. As you said, people need binary logic. The leftists too have their binary logic.

It's a nightmare for intellectuals like us.

Yet I think Soro's financial contribution is dwarfing any other.
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#83
TheMan,
I more optimistic. Everybody is trying to look non violent, on both side.
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#84
(07-02-2020, 05:48 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: mv
Of Soros is not alone. And it's way more complex. As you said, people need binary logic. The leftists too have their binary logic.

It's a nightmare for intellectuals like us.

Yet I think Soro's financial contribution is dwarfing any other.

The sources of binary logic are actually a bit different on the left and on the right.

On the left it is "who is not with us, is against us".  This allows for multiple enemies.

On the right it is the duality between good and evil (an early Christian heresy) expressed in personification of the devil (not based on Bible, but a common heresy in the modern US).  This personification requires a string of hitlers (Slobo, Saddam, etc), as well as Soros' today.

Both the left and the right are natural enemies of the humanity.---yes, one can recognize more than one enemy.
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#85
(07-02-2020, 05:53 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: TheMan,
I more optimistic. Everybody is trying to look non violent, on both side.

It is easy to be optimistic as long as the protests don't directly affect you. Once they do optimism is out the window. Just look at Seattle. It was just a "block party" until the mob showed up at the mayors house and then suddenly it was time to end it.
"And down through the centuries the robes have never failed to keep the public at a respectful distance, inspire a decent awe for the professions, and impart an air of solemnity and mystery that has been as good as money in the bank. The four faculties of theology, philosophy, medicine, and law have been the perennial seedbeds, not only of professional wisdom, but of the quackery and venality so generously exposed to public view by Plato, Rabelais, Molière, Swift, Gibbon, A. E. Housman, H. L. Mencken, and others. What took place in the Greco-Roman as in the Christian world was that fatal shift from leadership to management that marks the decline and fall of civilizations." - taken from a speech by Hugh Nibley
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#86
mv,
This changed with Obama. Since Obama was president, the personification of Evil for the Right became Obama.
Everything related to Obama had to ne eradicated.
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#87
(07-03-2020, 04:40 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: mv,
This changed with Obama. Since Obama was president, the personification of Evil for the Right became Obama.
Everything related to Obama had to ne eradicated.

No. Looked at more honestly is the idea that the figurehead is just an easy target for the deeper causation problems.

When Obama is the figurehead, then the Left can use him as a "reverse strawman" and call him honorable in spite of the perfidy caused by their Modus Operandi of the ends justify the means. They can do evil without paying the price, because Obama was their shield: "We can't do wrong, because he wouldn't do wrong."

One must look beyond the person to understand right and wrong.
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#88
(07-03-2020, 04:40 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: mv,
This changed with Obama. Since Obama was president, the personification of Evil for the Right became Obama.
Everything related to Obama had to ne eradicated.
For most on the US right, the personification was Clinton, even under Obama. Still is, for some.

Reasons: (1) cannot make a non-entity into a villain (2) cannot make a black into a villain.  

And Clintons do like murder people, even more so than average Americans (cf. Trump -- surely a murdered too, but the scale is not up to the standards of the exclusive nation.)
Sanders 2020

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#89
(Yesterday, 09:30 AM)mv Wrote:
(07-03-2020, 04:40 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: mv,
This changed with Obama. Since Obama was president, the personification of Evil for the Right became Obama.
Everything related to Obama had to be eradicated.
For most on the US right, the personification was Clinton, even under Obama. Still is, for some.

Reasons: (1) cannot make a non-entity into a villain (2) cannot make a black into a villain.  

And Clintons do like[to] murder people, even more so than average Americans (cf. Trump -- surely a murdered too, but the scale is not up to the standards of the exclusive nation.)

As mentioned before, the personification of evil never shifted to Obama. Evil is in the M.O. and the ends of the party, and much of that came from Clinton out of Arkansas. The facts about Clinton rising to power are well-known bur rarely posted:
Historian Joel Ruth Wrote:]On December 19, 1969, Bill Clinton had boarded an Aeroflot flight from London for the USSR to Moscow, the center of world atheism and the capital of the Soviet-Marxist state.

William Jefferson Clinton's pilgrimage to the Soviet Union was the climax of a busy fall semester as a "Rhodes Scholar" at Oxford. It should perhaps be mentioned to those impressed by such presumed status that Rhodes Scholarships are granted to individuals passing ideological muster whose sentiments during the interview process are reflective of acceptable left-wing views to the selection committees, and not because of good grades. Once in England, Clinton lived up the expectations of his promoters and joined the British Peace Council, which was established by the British Communist Party. Quickly, Clinton helped the council organize other expatriate Americans and draft-dodgers for anti-war demonstrations on October 15, 1969 and again on November 16, 1969 in front of the U.S. Embassy in London. The British press, at that time, reported that the protestors chanted, "Ho, Ho, Ho," and "Ho-Chi Minh, Viet Cong is gonna win."

Shortly after that, Clinton joined with other pro-communist and anti-American protestors on a trip to Norway to demonstrate in opposition to that Nation's desire to join NATO.

Activities as Clinton's were not at all out of character for Oxford students during that period and it has been estimated that even today, upwards of 60 percent of all Oxford professors hold moderate to extreme Socialist views. For such, the University had long been the home recruiting ground of the international communist movement. Its successes were exemplified by their recruitment of some of Bill Clinton's fellow alumni, notably the traitors Kim Philby and Donald McClean.

While Bill Clinton has never explained who paid for his trip to Moscow, he was accompanied by a friend and fellow Oxford student, Czech Jan Kopold. They were to attend a meeting of the War Moratorium Committee to be held January 2, 1970. Upon arrival, Clinton did not check into a youth hostel, but rather stayed at the Hotel National, the most exclusive and expensive one in Moscow of that time-a ritzy place usually reserved for foreign ambassadors and high-level Communist Party apparatchiks.

In today's terms, that trip would probably cost several thousand dollars. Clinton only had his tiny $275 Rhodes stipend to live on and never held a job. Thus, it is easy to believe that this tab and the arrangements could only have handled by the KGB, which during that epoch limited no expenses in its attempts to recruit promising American students in Europe.


Clinton has also never accounted for the 11 days spent in Moscow before the actual meeting of the War Moratorium and has never revealed who paid his expenses or what he did or who he met with during that time. However, for a tourist visiting Red Square in Moscow, a trip to Lenin's Tomb is usually on the itinerary. For a visiting leftist, such a visit is as requisite as a Moslem's visit to the Kabah while in Mecca. Standing before the mummy of the High Priest of Communism and Atheism on Christmas Day, for a communist, had long represented a symbolic, ritual act of contempt and abnegation of all the religious, spiritual, and ethical values which most Americans cherish. Even more telling was Clinton's January 4 return trip from Moscow on another Aeroflot jet. The flight terminated in Prague, then the capital of the Czechoslovakian Soviet Socialist Republic (CSSR). There, Clinton was a guest of Jan Kopold's father, Bedrich Kopold and Jan's maternal grandmother Maria Svermova, who was the original founder of the Czech Communist Party in the 1930s. During his visit, she took a liking to young Bill; they walked and talked. Svermova's deceased husband was the original editor of Rude Pravo, the Czech Communist Party paper before the War.

After the Soviet-backed Communist coup of Czechoslovakia in February 1948 had disposed of Democratic President Jan Masaryk by tossing him out a window of the Foreign Ministry, Rudolf Saltzman, a.k.a. Slansky, became the new president. Karel Svab, Maria's brother, was appointed Commissar of Secret Police and was responsible for the subsequent murders, tortures, and deportations to Russian gulags of several hundred thousand Christians, democracy advocates, anti-Communists, and even religious Jews who had survived the Holocaust. Under the Saltzman/Slansky regime (1949-1952), Maria Svermova was Secretary of the Communist Party and the Central Committee, the supreme ruling body. While the majority of Jews in pre-war Czechoslavakia were anti-Communist, the Party itself was dominated by a clique of apostate Jews who had long since abandoned the principles of their religion to embrace the False God of Marxism.

The entire Kopold clan was a significant part of the ruling Communist party elite and was responsible for those murders and deportations either by the act or as formulators of policy. In fact, 11 out of 12 Politburo leaders of the Czech Communist Party were apostate Jews who had taken refuge in Moscow just prior to the German occupation of the Czech rump state in 1939. It was easy for the Communists to seize control in 1948 without popular resistance because the Germans had confiscated all private weapons during the War. In 1948, Saltzman/Slansky smuggled guns and explosives to Palestine to arm the Zionist organizations, the Haganah, the Stern Gang, and the Irgun to enable them to keep killing British officials until Britain became fed up and pulled out. In 1949 these gangs organized the ethnic cleansing of over one million Palestinian Arabs from their lands which were then confiscated and made an integral part of the nascent State of Israel. President Saltzman/Slansky in turn paid with his life for assisting the Zionists. Accused of harboring Jewish nationalist sentiments, which were in opposition to Marxist internationalism, Stalin sent him to the gallows in 1952.

Years later, when Clinton was President, he again flew to Moscow, this time on Air Force One, to meet Boris Yeltsin. Then, on his return flight he had the plane stop in Prague, where, besides playing the saxophone-important stuff-he went to visit the parents of his Oxford friend Jan Kopold. By then, Maria Svermova had died of old age. As for Jan Kopold, he had been killed earlier in an "accidental fall" in Turkey in 1970, becoming perhaps the first of a long string of former Clinton friends and associates to meet an untimely end. Interestingly, Clinton told the news media people accompanying him on the Prague pitstop that the Kopolds were "old friends he had long admired." Nothing appeared in the press, however, about Clinton's admiration for and association with this family once such an intimate part of the ruling echelon of the murderous criminal Soviet puppet government that had enslaved Czechoslovakia.

After Clinton's short-lived tenure at Oxford-he never finished his second semester there-he remained a member of The Mobilization Committee, a Communist-front organization dedicated to undermining the strength of the United States and opposing American initiatives against the communist world movement, for another three years.

The Conspiracy theory is that Bill Clinton was approached by the CIA after his recruitment by Maria Svermova (Glasnost/Peristroika-released files showed She was their top spy recruiter.) It is thought that the CIA arranged special deals with the BOA and drug cartels to finance his run for Governor. The connections and lack of convictions of many illegal actions seem to bolster that idea.

The lack of convictions at the top, while so many of his minions faced prison time also underscores how the Clinton Crime family weaseled out of so much criminal actions where they were caught red-handed. However we got there, the whole family has been immune from prosecution and never paid the cost for what they have done.

Obama was never thought to be in the same league. His machinations were more from the media than from the powers-that-be.

So much of the fabric of the Democrat Party has developed out of the Clinton immunity, that Pelosi, Schiff, Nadler, Schumer, and others are content to rule without fear of being caught lying., or ever paying a penalty. Obama and Biden are back-benchers and bottom feeders, but not the towering evil that came before. Any prosecution of these back-benchers will go a long way to help us recover from the betrayal of our country by the Clintons.
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#90
OK, but I thought the Beast was Hillary...
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(8 hours ago)Fredledingue Wrote: OK, but I thought the Beast was Hillary...

Sure, Hillary glommed onto Bill after she couldn't pass the bar exam in Chicago - so she had to move to Arkansas where she could get in almost gratis. She was always an enabler, and helped to build the crime family based on her mentor, Saul Alinsky's tutelage. Much of Bill's success came from his charisma, where Hillary was the anti-charisma queen.
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