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USA and Philippines vs. China
#1
It seems, USA is now doing something about the ongoing sea territory issues between Philippines and China.

It's not only about political talk anymore.

Personally, I am very skeptical about Philippines. The political situation there is never stable.


http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/world/20...l#comments

Quote:In a show of strength before an international court’s ruling on China’s claims in the South China Sea, the US Navy sent two aircraft carriers and their accompanying ships on training drills in the western Pacific Ocean Saturday.

The carriers John C. Stennis and Ronald Reagan sailed close together in the Philippine Sea as part of air defense and sea surveillance operations that involved 12,000 sailors, 140 aircraft, and six smaller warships, the US Pacific Fleet in Hawaii said in a statement.

“We must take advantage of these opportunities to practice war-fighting techniques that are required to prevail in modern naval operations,” Rear Admiral John D. Alexander said in a statement.

The operations occurred on the eastern side of the Philippines, in a body of water that is not adjacent to the South China Sea but is close, a spokesman for the Pacific Fleet said.

China seeks to dominate the western Pacific Ocean as part of its long-term strategy, US strategists say.

Washington, Beijing offer competing views on South China Sea

The comments indicated that annual talks between the countries had done little to bridge the differences over the volatile issue.

The message of the exercise by the two carriers and their attendant warships was unmistakable, and the timing was deliberate, said a US official familiar with the planning of the operation who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly on the matter. It could have been conducted later, he said.

An international arbitration court in The Hague is deliberating a case filed by the Philippines in 2013 against China’s claims in the South China Sea.
Its decision is expected in the coming weeks.


The Philippines is challenging China’s claims to what has come to be known as the nine-dash line, an area that covers almost all of the South China Sea, including waters close to the Philippine coast.

The issue of the nine-dash line is delicate because China has claimed it since ancient times as its territory, and the South China Sea has become part of the increasingly nationalistic vocabulary of President Xi Jinping.

In the past two years, China has built artificial islands equipped with military runways in the Spratly archipelago, inside the line and not far from the Philippines.

In a statement on the exercise involving the carriers, the Pacific Fleet said: “As a Pacific nation and a Pacific leader, the United States has a national interest in maintaining security and prosperity, peaceful resolution of disputes, unimpeded lawful commerce, and adherence to freedom of navigation and overflight throughout the shared domains of the Indo-Asia-Pacific.”


The Stennis conducted exercises with Japanese and Indian naval forces in the western Pacific and the South China Sea earlier in the week, an operation that was shadowed by a Chinese surveillance vessel.

The Stennis then joined the Reagan, which had been undergoing maintenance at a US base in Japan, the Pacific Fleet spokesman said.

Early this month, Senator John McCain, an Arizona Republican and chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, foreshadowed the dual-carrier exercise during a speech in Singapore, saying it was part of increased US vigilance in the Pacific.

“The United States will soon have two aircraft carriers operating together in the Pacific, which is a strong statement about America’s enduring commitment to regional security,” McCain said.

Also last week, the United States dispatched four Navy electronic attack aircraft, known as Growlers, and 120 military personnel to Clark Air Base in the Philippines.

At a conference in Beijing Saturday hosted by Global Times, a state-run newspaper known for its strident coverage, some analysts warned of an arms race in the western Pacific.

“The Chinese side is determined to increase its power, and Obama is determined to defend the United States’ position,” said Shi Yinhong, a professor of international relations at Renmin University in Beijing.

Both militaries need to be cautious in the South China Sea, said another participant, Teng Jianqun, director of the department of American studies at the China Institute of International Studies. “Any misunderstanding could lead to a disaster between the two countries,” Teng said.

   
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#2
One thing for certain: The Philippines just won a significant decision at The Hague. And while it has little force behind it, it sets precedent for future suits against PRC in the future.

TRIBUNAL: NO BASIS FOR CHINA'S VAST SOUTH CHINA SEA CLAIMS

Quote:The Philippines, under a U.N. treaty governing the seas, asked in 2013 for arbitration on a number of issues it had with China.

The five-member panel from the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague, Netherlands, unanimously concluded that China had violated its obligations to refrain from aggravating the dispute while the settlement process was ongoing.

It also found that China had interfered with Philippine petroleum exploration at Reed Bank, tried to stop fishing by Philippine vessels within the country's exclusive economic zone and failed to prevent Chinese fishermen from fishing within the Philippines' exclusive economic zone at Mischief Reef and Second Thomas Shoal.

China, which boycotted the entire proceedings, reiterated that it does not accept the panel's jurisdiction. China "solemnly declares that the award is null and void and has no binding force. China neither accepts nor recognizes it," a statement from the foreign ministry said.

It added that "China's territorial sovereignty and maritime rights and interests in the South China Sea shall under no circumstances be affected by those awards." The ministry repeated China's often-expressed stance that the Philippines' move to initiate arbitration without China's consent was in "bad faith" and in violation of international law.

A professor of Asian political economy said the ruling could be a "transformative moment" in the region.

Speaking outside the Peace Palace in The Hague, Leiden University professor Jonathan London said the decision will "give countries with a common interest in international norms something to point to and to rally around."

Naturally China is going to hurl insults and tell everyone that they will never acknowledge this decision. But there are many people, who have been harmed by PRC's heavy-handedness. This will open the way for huge lawsuits from businesses and individuals, and if the decision goes against China, this would be held over its head for the future. Unless they intend to conquer the world, they will eventually have to address all the suits and settle up with them,..................eventually.
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(07-12-2016, 10:36 AM)John L Wrote: One thing for certain: The Philippines just won a significant decision at The Hague.  And while it has little force behind it, it sets precedent for future suits against PRC in the future.  

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Naturally China is going to hurl insults and tell everyone that they will never acknowledge this decision.  But there are many people, who have been harmed by PRC's heavy-handedness.  This will open the way for huge lawsuits from businesses and individuals, and if the decision goes against China, this would be held over its head for the future.  Unless they intend to conquer the world, they will eventually have to address all the suits and settle up with them,..................eventually.

Sorry for short comment, but I am now on vacation in Thailand and will be back in Japan end of this month.

While legally difficult to enforce, this ruling is a deep-in study of the present situation for the Philippines - a very serious guideline about where or better where should be the border out in the sea facing China.

There are major complaints by Vietnam too, and it might be possible that Vietnam will do the same as the Philippines, to ask for an international expertise about where the borders between China and Vietnam should be - and Vietnam has the best chance to win its case.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/07...china-sea/
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(07-14-2016, 11:26 AM)yohan Wrote:
(07-12-2016, 10:36 AM)John L Wrote: One thing for certain: The Philippines just won a significant decision at The Hague.  And while it has little force behind it, it sets precedent for future suits against PRC in the future.  

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Naturally China is going to hurl insults and tell everyone that they will never acknowledge this decision.  But there are many people, who have been harmed by PRC's heavy-handedness.  This will open the way for huge lawsuits from businesses and individuals, and if the decision goes against China, this would be held over its head for the future.  Unless they intend to conquer the world, they will eventually have to address all the suits and settle up with them,..................eventually.

Sorry for short comment, but I am now on vacation in Thailand and will be back in Japan end of this month.

While legally difficult to enforce, this ruling is a deep-in study of the present situation for the Philippines - a very serious guideline about where or better where should be the border out in the sea facing China.

There are major complaints by Vietnam too, and it might be possible that Vietnam will do the same as the Philippines, to ask for an international expertise about where the borders between China and Vietnam should be - and Vietnam has the best chance to win its case.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/07...china-sea/

This is the way to go with such a larger entity.  Get the world court on your side, and the rest of the world will follow.  Eventually, PRC will have to address this legally, or they will continue paying for it until it is addressed to everyone's satisfaction.   Unless they manage to take over the world, its a Lose-Lose for China.
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#5
Duterte and Trump would make a perfect pair...

Duterte, the new president of the Philipines Wrote:Obama is a son of a bitch
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(09-07-2016, 04:25 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: Duterte and Trump would make a perfect pair...

Duterte, the new president of the Philipines Wrote:Obama is a son of a bitch

I believe the writer at Reuters failed to get his wording right.  Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe he called MacDaddy "a son of a whore".  A whore and a bitch are not quite the same thing.  The former deals with sexual proclivity, and the later deals with personality disorder.  Of course his mother could have been a combination of both.  S13
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#7
You're right. Duterte and Trump do not genuflect for Political Correctness.

Is that a bad thing?
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#8
It's a bad thing when you say things a reasonable human wouldn't. Is it your judgment Obama is a son of a whore?

If yes, show proof and explain why you would be such a judgmental jackass you would repeat it and if not, why is this a good statement in any case?
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#9
Both Duterte and Trump said words that no chief of state should pronounce. Such low-life attitude and these poeple control two of the largest countries of in the world. Gimme a break.

Expressing yourself outside Political Correctness is about ideas. Not about being rude.
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#10
The Philippines is one of the largest countries in the world?

As for any charge of Stanley Ann being a whore, that is not quite correct. Obama Sr. left his pregnant wife, Kezia, back in Africa, and married Stanley Ann. There is a chance that the marriage was not recorded because Obama Sr. may have impregnated Anna when she was underage. Obama, himself fueled that fire by writing: "How and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars that I have never quite had the courage to explore."

Kezia married Obama Sr., with a dowry of 14 cows. Stanley Ann was not bought and paid for as well as any one knows, but her marriage did make Obama a bigamist. He left Anna behind because Kezia was always the love of his life. He ended up with three wives, one mistress, and seven children - possibly eight. Obama's autobiographies are ambiguous on this.
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(09-08-2016, 08:10 PM)WmLambert Wrote: The Philippines is one of the largest countries in the world?

As for any charge of Stanley Ann being a whore, that is not quite correct. Obama Sr. left his pregnant wife, Kezia, back in Africa, and married Stanley Ann. There is a chance that the marriage was not recorded because Obama Sr. may have impregnated Anna when she was underage. Obama, himself fueled that fire by writing: "How and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars that I have never quite had the courage to explore."

Kezia married Obama Sr., with a dowry of 14 cows. Stanley Ann was not bought and paid for as well as any one knows, but her marriage did make Obama a bigamist. He left Anna behind because Kezia was always the love of his life. He ended up with three wives, one mistress, and seven children - possibly eight. Obama's autobiographies are ambiguous on this.

Naturally you are assuming that Obama Sr. is the genetic father, right?

I sure wish I could compare the shape of MacDaddy's fingers with that of Obama Sr. and that of Frank Marshal Davis. The length, shape and curvature of one's fingers are determined by the person's father. I learned this in my graduate "Osteology" course. Dr. Bill Bass, the world's most renouned forensic anthropologist, told us this and one day his son and daughter showed up at the department. He took them and showed all of us how one's fingers, and how they bent in different directions are a direct reflection of one's father.

I did this with my daughter, years ago, and her hand and fingers have exactly the same shape as mine. Our index and middle fingers slightly curve outward at the finger tips and our little fingers curve inward. Finger lengths also vary, and ours are exactly the same in scale. My left index finger's nail, has an imperfection which causes the nail to split apart near the outer edge, frequently causing a hang nail. Same with hers.

I still suspect his real father is Davis, and a comparison of their hand shapes would seal the deal for me. Phenotypically, I see absolutely no physical correlation between him and his father. That is probably why he really has nothing to do with his Kenyan family, because he is not genetically related.
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#12
It means he would be geneticaly american?
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#13
(09-09-2016, 08:02 AM)Fredledingue Wrote: It means he would be geneticaly american?

That's not a good analogy Fred.  I'm talking genetically.  Doesn't matter what country Frank Marshal Davis originated.   Its genes that count.  Spiteful
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(09-09-2016, 06:41 AM)John L Wrote: ...her hand and fingers have exactly the same shape as mine.  Our index and middle fingers slightly curve outward at the finger tips and our little fingers curve inward.  Finger lengths also vary, and ours are exactly the same in scale.  My left index finger's nail, has an imperfection which causes the nail to split apart near the outer edge, frequently causing a hang nail.  Same with hers.

Interesting, because magicians use length of fingers to help decide whether a person is male or female. It is more effective than having an Adam's apple. Most females first and ring finger are symmetrical (the same length), whereas almost all males have a shorter first finger than ring finger. Ears also mark heredity well.
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(09-09-2016, 09:50 PM)WmLambert Wrote:
(09-09-2016, 06:41 AM)John L Wrote: ...her hand and fingers have exactly the same shape as mine.  Our index and middle fingers slightly curve outward at the finger tips and our little fingers curve inward.  Finger lengths also vary, and ours are exactly the same in scale.  My left index finger's nail, has an imperfection which causes the nail to split apart near the outer edge, frequently causing a hang nail.  Same with hers.

Interesting, because magicians use length of fingers to help decide whether a person is male or female. It is more effective than having an Adam's apple. Most females first and ring finger are symmetrical (the same length), whereas almost all males have a shorter first finger than ring finger. Ears also mark heredity well.

Most of these hereditary traits are male or female dominant when being passed on to offspring.  The finger's shapes are passed from the father's genes.  I'm not up to speed on the ears, but I do know that whether or not they have lobes, the lobes size, etc, are hereditary.  I know that many of my known traits I got from my mother's genes.  My hair, for example.  My body hair is very fine, and soft.  Its like silk, and it tends to wave a bit.  My father's hair was more normal.  My sex organs are like my mother's male siblings.  

Its very interesting to learn all these things that make us unique.
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(09-10-2016, 07:15 AM)John L Wrote: ...Most of these hereditary traits are male or female dominant when being passed on to offspring.  The finger's shapes are passed from the father's genes.

The reason I brought up length of fingers is because it's a near truism. No matter what a father's genes may engender - almost all males have a shorter index finger than ring finger, while almost all females have symmetrical fingers. The exceptions are extremely rare.

Magician's use it as a parlor trick because it almost totally defines sex. Magicians often transcend science. When Uri Geller was saying his tricks were real magic, magicians followed him around and exposed his tricks, because the penultimate rule of magicians is not to call tricks real. They are merciless against phony seers who take money from grieving widows and tell them hokey things that are not honest.. When studying Blackstone, the past leader of the Magician's guild - or union - or whatever, I found how he went around the world debunking charlatans ...and in the process learned that magicians have many aspects of science beat. They have kept many things in their world that science ignores or missed. The finger thing is a known truism that can be used because few people know about it. The Magicians used to meet annually in Colon,Michigan - and there was more secret science there than at Area 51.

Blackstone went around the world with a cashier's check for a lot of money that he promised to give to any scientist who could prove ESP exists. Many scientists tried, but were always astounded to see a magician explain the science behind why what they believed was false. A university noticed his efforts and researched claims of ESP and gave out their own money because they testified that they tested the ESP experiments and said it was real. Blackstone came in and quickly explained to the university that psychologists think linearly and are easily confounded by researches, who often don't look around corners. Blackstone exposed the mistakes in research easily.

Uri Geller was a pet peeve. He followed Geller around, and when Uri went through his spiel of "receiving a ray of light that gave him the ability to bend keys", and such, Blackstone knocked him back until Geller apologized and admitted he only did tricks. His tricks were very good - and he didn't need to lie about it being real magic.
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