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Outdoor Photography And Great Photographers
#21
(10-16-2016, 06:56 PM)WmLambert Wrote: I think what MacDiarmid is discussing is adding the effect of motion to a still photo. A pond or a lake is still water. A waterfall or rapids is all about movement. In photography, a blurry image over a still background screams motion. It might not show details of what exists for a hundredth of a second, but shows many such hundredths combined into a larger gestalt. I actually like both images for different reasons. Neither one is wussified. The eye of the beholder and all that.

To me, I would prefer the blurring of the water falling, but more detail of the surface of the pond - a combination of both. The water under the surface is interesting, but doesn't show at all on the blurry one.

That is not what he was discussing.  He was discussing the long exposure vs the much shorter one, which is closer to real life.  He also stated that he preferred the former.  And I commented under the picture that doing such to a waterfall is akin to castrating the power of the water.  You may not spend much time on Flickr going through all sorts of landscape photography, but I am going through this phase myself.  And I see almost everyone using the timed delay, non-stop.  It is so chic, so artificial, and almost totally in keeping with the effeminization of every day life.  "How dare we show raw power and force.  There should be a law against such brute and barbaric activity."  Not only that, it is artificial, and not true to life at all.  

Here's a fellow from Norway, Viggo Johansen.  He looks at things from a prospective you would expect from a Norseman.  For instance, this picture of Dubrovnik, Croatia, at 1/200 of a second.  
Dubrovnik - D8B_2102
 
And note the force of the Aegean on the rocks of the shoreline.  There is sheer power, and danger there, and he manages skillfully to show it in the shot.  Or how about another one by Viggo, of Langfoss falls. Shutter speed at 1/320 of a second.
Langfoss - D8C_4795
 
Or how about another one at 1/320 of a second.
 
Gásadalur, Faroe Islands - D8C_9782
 
Note the tranquility of the last shot.  But that is absolutely true to life because the North Atlantic is very peaceful and quiet, at that particular time.  Hence the high shutter speed.  This is my kind of a guy.  He doesn't have to fake it in order to make it happen as it should.  No pussy here, he's the real deal, and he's recording things the way they really are.

Now compare those above to people such as Marty Hogan.  And take this politically correct shot taken at 24 second delay.
a presque isle evening

Why would anyone want to so thoroughly castrate the power and force of this river?  Why would they bother unless they wanted to make it into something more kinder, and gentler, and effeminate.   S18
Or how about one thoroughly emasculated bloke, Phil Carpenter.  This is a two minute(120 second) delay.
Gorleston-on-Sea

Ocean? What ocean?  Its just mist, as with all his other shots, as you can see at his own Flickr site.
And this just goes on, and on, and on, ad infinitum with the so many others.

The overwhelming majority of posters on Flickr would Never have Viggo's pictures unless they had cut the timed exposure from his 1/320 of a second, to somewhere between five and fifty seconds.  Allowing such force and threat to everyone's tranquility would not be allowed on their pages, because it is simply too barbaric and just plain uncivil.  Only about one in ten are like Viggo, and its really a damned shame.

Do you doubt me Bill?  Think I am over-blowing all this?  Tell you what, start right here: this is today's landscape page.  And work your way back.  Or go through some of the photographers pages.  Almost every one of them have this urge to totally emasculate one of the greatest forces of nature.  They simply want to Pussify it.  Its sickening to me, because I can see where all this is headed.

I'm going right not wo Viggo's home page and 'follow' him, because I share his view on nature. Nature is something to be admired, in all of its raw power. My kinda' guy.
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(10-16-2016, 08:54 PM)John L Wrote: ...He was discussing the long exposure vs the much shorter one, which is closer to real life.  He also stated that he preferred the former.  And I commented under the picture that doing such to a waterfall is akin to castrating the power of the water.

I understood exactly what he said. Short exposure is not closer to real life, all by itself. Being an animator for 17 years, I understand persistence of vision and how animating a dozen long exposure frames look compared to a dozen short exposure ones, with a wider aperture to get the same light level. They will both look real to the eye, but the short exposure frames will look jumpy. Animation and streaming images is what looks like real. Frozen shots are just that.

Like I said: eye of the beholder.
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#23
I'll keep all this in mind Bill. I think the key word here is "compromise".
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#24
Here is a great example as to what I keep lamenting over.  This is the sort of scene that only someone on LSD, or hoping to get there, would appreciate, after careful consideration.  Or a graphics manipulation person perhaps.  S13

Rough coast - Slains Castle / Scotland


Everything here is basically perfect, except..................  The conditions are great, the overcast sky really doesn't need to undergo a 118 second exposure.  That's what filters are for.  What this is is conforming to a fad, that is going around. This person managed to turn a Truly exquisite work of art into a "That's cute" sort of thing.

Anyone who would constantly attempt to completely neuter nature like this, on a recurring basis, needs some sort of help.  Oh, I can see this once or twice for practice purposes, but to keep this up?
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#25
Now this shot is both calm and tranquil.  But it is also natural, not pussified either.  

Mosevatnet. Folgefonna. Søt ensomhet.


There's a huge difference here, from the one above this.  The one above would have been a pure masterpiece had the photographer not been trying to follow the latest fad.  

And note the shutter speed: 1/30th second. And by going with a 100-ISO/ASA film speed, he guaranteed absolutely no grain in the sky or clouds. Very nice shot.
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#26
Bill, this is part and parcel as to just what I am talking about.  Its the totally pussification of all things in our society, and now they are going after elemental nature itself.  And you think nothing of it?  

Those Lips! Those Eyes! That Stubble! The Transformative Power of Men in Makeup.  I want to THROW UP!

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And so does this woman on PJ Media.

George Carlin - Pussification


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#27
I have no idea what you are going on about. The first one didn't turn out so well. Looks really solarized. The second one is good. I liked it.

The images of the faces are just weird. Wouldn't pass the smell test for any marketing company I ever worked for.

My idea of beauty  to sell merchandise would be Lynda Carter back in the 90's.

Basically. Good art is good art - and bad art can be sold as good - but isn't.

I don't see tons of bad art in advertising. Things that don't sell are failures and go away and the Art Director who put it together doesn't get hired again. For an example, if you consider what advertising campaigns you best remember, you may recall "No matter what shape your stomach is in" from 1967. Remember that one? Everyone loved it - but no one connected it to Alka Seltzer, so it failed and was replaced by a different campaign.



Another one was "Where's the Meat?"
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#28
What I'm saying is that there is good art and bad art, and someone can push something - but that pushing doesn't change it being a failure. A few may act super sophisticated and tell everyone how great something is, that is really bad. Let them. There is always someone trying to be a celebrity without earning it. The work is still bad. You know it. I know it... and that's all that matters.
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#29
Here is what one faces in the winter in Michigan if you need to get to the U.P.

[Image: 10472454-large.jpg] I don't know how many miles it spans, but cars have been blown off it.

Pretty, though.
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#30
The Big Mac is supposed to be five miles long. One website says:  26371' (8038 m). It is said to be the third longest suspension bridge in the world. People hike across every Labor Day. I did it once, about 15 years ago. I got a blister on one foot because one of my shoes was slipping slightly on the downhill portions. But I made it across.


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#31
Antonius Andre Tjiu managed to document the hurried moment a snake fought back against a huge crested serpent eagle in Borneo

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#32
Wow, what a dramatic photo! I'm not sure which one I'm rooting for. Which one won?
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#33
(11-02-2016, 03:52 PM)Ron Lambert Wrote: Wow, what a dramatic photo! I'm not sure which one I'm rooting for. Which one won?

They didn't say, but I assume the eagle did. They make their living killing and eating those snakes.
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#34
But that looks like a fairly massive snake--could the eagle get off the ground with it? If it could, and then drop the snake from a height, that would assure victory. But it looks like the snake has coils around the eagle's feet, and might hold it down. I wonder if the eagle grabbed the smaller end of the snake, and did not fully realize how big the snake was.
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#35
The Big Send-Off, Indian Style

Cremation's
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#36
Now this is simply gorgeous in its pattern of reflection.

wet mess in blue
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#37
[Image: 085eaf8a-7e4f-11e5_1002263c.jpg] Not a photo.
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#38
M C Escher in da' house!
I know you think you understand what you thought I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant!
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#39
There are a few folks over at Flickr, who specialize in patterns that are photos(the real thing).  The lady above is one of them, but perhaps the best one over there is a fellow by the name of Paul Dunn.   He does a lot of seashore, ocean, and shoreline caves photography.  But his natural shots of rock patterns are priceless.  

All of his shots there on Flickr are 2048 mp and the detail is stunning. They would all make fantastic background pics or screensaver material.

Here's some of his latest photography:

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Running order squabble fest


Mnemosyne


Cease and desist


Whoosh
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#40
This Paul Dunn fellow is one of the most proficient serious amateur photographers on the site.  He is very good at practically everything he does, including macro-photography.  His butterfly pictures are pretty much spotless too.

Skeleton Tree


A Beautiful Peace


Dreams can chase you down


Sea of love


This butterfly photo is weighted just right and would make a great background for the computer.  The butterfly is off center and when reversed, would not get in the way of accumulated links.

The Last Song


He even raises honey bees:

Coloured Autumn


Be not fearful
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