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Decline of Christians Participation in the US
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I was going through The Blaze today, and came across this.

He Was Researching the Decline of Churches in America and Noticed a Parallel That Truly Stunned Him.

I agree with him that the degree of participation and feeling of love for one's members is paramount.

The breakdown of each succeeding generation is sobering, to say the least. And I still believe that more younger citizens are placing their faith in another religion: Socialism/Collectivism.
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#2
I don't think this research is on the right track blaming the "delivery mode" for the decline in church attendance.

In our days, the secularist attack on the Gospel is a tougher foe due to mass media/social media access and I think some Christians are not really educated about our faith. So when our faith is attacked, we're not prepared to answer it and some of us just fall off the wagon so to speak.

When I was 21, a guy gave me the "Jesus is just a polished up Mithra myth" and I held onto my faith, but, barely. I was that stupid, I had never researched anything with the historical method to know that Jesus could not be a myth.


I had never looked beyond the child like faith I had as a 14 year old kid. Since then I have, but, some folks go ahead and lose their faith when challenged if they haven't been taught a little something.
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#3
I'm not so sure about that. Usually it is discord and strife from within that is the most dangerous to any group. Enemies from without can cause trouble, but if the new enemy is from within, that can destroy the cohesive glue that binds them together to withstand the foe from the outside.
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#4
There are lots of varied causes to challenge our faith no doubt. This millenial bunch though it appears are giving up their faith due to the "modernist" challenge mainly.

You have a lot of parents and preachers that haven't taught them much at all about God( get saved, don't sin, that was my spiritual education) and when their faith is challenged, they drop it. Plus, I bet money most these are kids of fundies and frankly, fundy Christianity is so flawed it doesn't take much light to expose it.




In school you learn the earth CAN'T be 6000 years old, so if you were raised believing that stupidity is really what the bible teaches and you never took the time to learn a reasonable hermeneutic, it's suddenly apparent to you that book is full of crap.

IMO, that's what's going on a lot in this specific generation, they've been raised on a flawed grasp of what the bible really is and they're learning that false narrative is bs, except they don't take the time to find out the fundy view is what is false.

I went through this. The "Mithra" challenge was not my only faith challenge. It probably took a 5 year journey to grow out of the fundy mindset and into what is essentially normal Christian orthodoxy where I would feel comfortable in your church or an Eastern Orthodox or Methodist Church.

The fundy branch is going to collapse and die because it teaches such nonsense and you can't NOT learn some of what is taught is nonsense. This generation is not prepared for what is essentially a small challenge, but, since they've learned "the bible says" the earth is 6000 years old, etc they give it and Christ up as a joke.

Bottom line, "fundies worship the bible more than Christ" Himself and the bible is a flawed document because the reasons we both know, God did not give ancient people scientific modernity, yet, the fundy tries to claim it is infallible in all respects and it is not.

BTW, my brother lost his faith over a "strife" situation when his son tried to commit suicide. He got mad at God and opened his heart to atheist counter Christian evangelism and it was based on exactly what I posted above. Denigrating the bible. Mike's faith was more in the bible with the know nothing fundy interpretation than in the historic Christ, here he is an atheist.
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(04-28-2016, 10:31 PM)John L Wrote: I was going through The Blaze today, and came across this.

He Was Researching the Decline of Churches in America and Noticed a Parallel That Truly Stunned Him.

I agree with him that the degree of participation and feeling of love for one's members is paramount.

The breakdown of each succeeding generation is sobering, to say the least.  And I still believe that more younger citizens are placing their faith in another religion: Socialism/Collectivism.

Interesting, but possibly forced parallels. (Film changing to digital mixed with "The Media is the Message" by Marshall McLuhan?) Eastman Kodak had turned into a business-plan driven company, rather than something built for the potential of the industry and art. In the early 80's digital imaging was okay - but more of a novelty than a threat to film, itself. The reason for that was that film reacted to light intricately, and producers and directors (like me) understood that digitally-produced imagery just didn't measure up. Eastman had their darkrooms in Rochester, NY and was one of the largest employers of the blind. When I ordered cinematography film stock from them - they were starting to compete with Fuji. A good photographer back then had to take the film and test its color and tonal response, and chart it to know exactly how it worked. Each batch had its own Idiosyncrasy. Digital was flat and usually unsatisfactory.

Then Rush Beasley, a Texas producer took several Apple computers and used them together, co-processing, to create images that produced the same film response of Fuji or Rochester. Film of that time that was considered superior had T-grain rather than pixels, and anyone with a good eye could see differences. After Beasley produced digital processing that was honestly equivalent to film, Hollywood began experimenting.

Eastman Kodak was based on film - but they changed their business plan to become digital camera-back suppliers. One of my photographers bought one of their new camera backs and it cost as much as a Cadillac. When they were involved in Silver Nitrate, they were standouts. But in the digital world they were Johnny-come-latelys, and were out of their depth.

IOW; they were akin to the buggy-whip industry. Another thing that helped spur the downward spiral of Kodak was the ability of digital in SFX. We on ce had to use A and B rolls (a holdback layer of Kodalith that was sandwiched with normal clips to allow superimposition of artwork, model photography, and insert clips.) I never used more than three or four layers of film at a time - but digital used none at all. We just pedestalled up a background color, (usually green or blue) and all the hold-backs and inserts were done inside the computer with no loss or degradation.

It was the same people doing the new techniques, which allowed more quality than ever before - so everything improved - not got worse. Things change, but not everything that changes is evil.

I see very little similarities with the change to digital from film - and lack of charismatic church leaders causing a diminishing of the size of their congregation.
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We should not allow ourselves to be misled by superficial, outward appearances. Everyone thinks Europe is hopelessly secularized, even beyond what we see in America--but the essential Christian cultural core is still there, which Muslims make a serious misjudgment about, thinking that they can just throw their weight around with some ruthless violence thrown in, and impose Sharia Law and Islam itself on the unbelievers. But what they do not understand is that they will reach a critical point, where they have provoked Christian Europe too far, and it will rise up in all-out civil war, and literally kill or drive out of Europe every last Moslem. As part of the process, the Papacy will emerge as the transcendent power in Europe that will lead the crusade.

Islam has not become as numerous or powerful in America yet, to try what they are daring to try in Europe, so the anti-Islamic backlash probably will not be as severe in America. But there will be a backlash. Christianity is in fact still much stronger here than it is in Britain, or elsewhere in Europe.
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#7
Keep reading these conversion stories. I think a % are valid myself:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/euro...spartanntp
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(06-05-2016, 03:16 PM)Palladin Wrote: Keep reading these conversion stories. I think a % are valid myself:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/euro...spartanntp

I agree. The PJ Media link you used on another post, Six Startling Contrasts Between the Bible and the Quran, does a great job of explaining the Whys Islam is bleeding its ' supposed ' following as soon as they get out from under its threats. They may not know these reasons on a conscious level, but sub-consciously, that's a different story. S22
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Read some comments, the author is accurate on a lot of that, but, he messed up on some of his accusations. Islam does have forgiveness, compassionate God motifs. You just have to be a good Muslim to find them and they are not sure what that means because Mohammad himself stated he wasn't sure where he would end up.
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