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Middle East Meltdown, Pt. 4
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(03-01-2015, 04:28 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: Anti-corporatism is very apealing to the youth. Will work...

Did you manage to read the whole thing? This is a very dangerous combination that could make it so much harder to go after a terrorist group. If they don't bother targeting the ones in power, and concentrate on foreign business interests, i.e. the evil Capitalists, they will have a much easier time creating maximum havoc and destruction. The ones in power will still go after them, but won't quite be using the same zeal, because they aren't the ones targeted.

And they will be accomplishing both parts of the equation: showing that the regime is powerless; and fighting Free Enterprise, which is something that base Islam is naturally against.

I'm going to keep my eye out for more of this, along with the possibility of using automobiles as terrorist instruments in the Western countries, including US.
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#42
Well, these socialists/corporatists just lost the fight to other socialists/corporatists and some of our capitalist/free enterprise assets are in the wrong hands, again!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/syri...story.html
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#43
It appears we have one more successful European jihadist, who most likely has made the long journey to paradise: http://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/is-germanys-top-terrorist-dead-or-alive/.

His has gone under a host of different names, but this one has its own Wikipedia page.

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#44
JL Wrote:Did you manage to read the whole thing? This is a very dangerous combination
Yes I managed to read the whole thing despite time running faster than my eyeballs!

But I don't panic about it.

First it seemed obvious to me, from the beginning that Islamic groups would naturaly target US interrests, private interrests as well, especialy brabnd name symbolizing America.
The guys are after symbols. And if you want to symbolicaly target the US you hit McDonlad's, or KFC if there is no other franchise in the area. The anti-capitalist speech is a justification to the youth why the place they feed themselves must be bombed.

Secondly, targeting us economicaly is just obvious. Why wouldn't they?

Maybe the guys mentioned in the article are realy about destroying capitalism as a form of Jihad, but it's their personal view. They are only two guys and they are not very high in the IS hierarchy.

Much more serious are treath toward Twitter's employees and CEO.

If the IS follows its own logic, they should destroy everything that makes our civilisation, including international corporations, capitalism, fast food chains, internet social medias, etc. Everything new (media and tech) and old (museums, art, music etc) must be destroyed.



Today I was responding to someone on Facebook who didn't believe that Islam and Islamism were the same things.
I would find many of such poeple on facebook.

IMO the IS is successful because everybody still thinks that Islam is not to blame. As long as poeple won't see Islam as the root cause of Jihad, they will win.

Their goal is the promotion of Islam. As long as we protect Islam, as long as we make sure that Islam continues to prosper in the West as well as in the M-E, we are helping the IS.

From the day we will start to repel the muslim religion geographicaly, they will lose.

The West is too soft. If we don't allow nazism, why should we allow Islam? I don't understand.



A force of about 30,000 Iran-backed troops are assaulting the IS in Tikrit.
No US force involved.

Islamists against Islamists. Even if the IS is defeated here, it won;t be a victory against radical islamism unfortunately because those who would retake the place are as radical as the formers.
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#45
ISIS attracts the types who agree with their version of Islam, it doesn't make a damn what non Muslims think about it being Islam or not. They think it's Islam, that's all that matters.
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#46
Negative take on Obama's foreign policy. Right now, it seems a fiasco from the USA is Rome view. Even a leftist yank has to wonder about it.

Before anyone yearns for Bush, it was that thoughtless, tone deaf man that effectively removed Iraq as a shield against Iranian hegemony in Asia minor. As things stand, Iran is in the midst of massive regional moves with I assume Turkey and Saudi Arabia resisting them and they plus Israel hoping the Americans to intervene:

http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2015...more-42201
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#47
Militants take over Libya's Bahi, Mabrouk oilfields

That IS, the one directly linked to the ISIL in Syria and Iraq is officialy in Lybia is a major event. Islamic groups afiliated with IS/AQ were there from the begining but it's the first time that they form a single entity with the Califate of the ISIL.
So far they were separate groups.

Just a matter of time before the absorb Boko Haram (who have declared Califate there already), al-Shabaab and algerian groups (AQIM).
Still not clear wether Boko Haram will accept IS suzerainty...

It's also important because this group is non-tribal. Soon our US-led coalition will have to bomb Lybia too.

Us led strikes today
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#48
Yea, let's give Obama and our next POTUS, Hillary Clinton some credit for Libya becoming an ISIS playground. At least they aren't in the Iranian orbit!!!

Hahahahaha. American foreign work since 1990 is as evil as Stalin's or Hitler's ever was, what moral puke and I am the weirdo on this board for making this obvious case now.

If you are naive enough to think the American people are now going on an anti ISIS or Iran military crusade, you do not know us well. We're about done with wars for quite some time that cause casualties. As long as we can do it w/o deaths or POWs getting their heads removed for public display, we'll be your macho manly ally in this war.
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(03-03-2015, 04:25 PM)Palladin Wrote: Negative take on Obama's foreign policy. Right now, it seems a fiasco from the USA is Rome view. Even a leftist yank has to wonder about it.

Before anyone yearns for Bush, it was that thoughtless, tone deaf man that effectively removed Iraq as a shield against Iranian hegemony in Asia minor. As things stand, Iran is in the midst of massive regional moves with I assume Turkey and Saudi Arabia resisting them and they plus Israel hoping the Americans to intervene:

http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2015...more-42201

The recently martyred Boris Nemtsov certainly got one thing right, which Richard Fernandez quoted in that link.

Quote:Given these recent events, most Russian opposition leaders have given up hoping that Obama will be able to change much inside Russia. Opposition activist Boris Nemtsov met with Obama in Moscow back in 2009, but this time around he didn’t see any point to a meeting with the U.S. president.

"Obama is a Hollywood actor, a weak man with no balls," Nemtsov said, cutting to the point. "Nobody should ever expect him to help Russians seeking civil freedom."


As for Junior, is there anyone here, who thinks he got things right in either Iraq or Afthanistan? By now everyone should know that if one has to do battle, one goes in, takes care of business, and then gets the hell out of Dodge. All this "Nation Building" manure is just that,...manure, and a total waste of time, lives, and resources.
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(03-03-2015, 05:10 PM)Palladin Wrote: Yea, let's give Obama and our next POTUS, Hillary Clinton some credit for Libya becoming an ISIS playground. At least they aren't in the Iranian orbit!!!

Hahahahaha. American foreign work since 1990 is as evil as Stalin's or Hitler's ever was, what moral puke and I am the weirdo on this board for making this obvious case now.

If you are naive enough to think the American people are now going on an anti ISIS or Iran military crusade, you do not know us well. We're about done with wars for quite some time that cause casualties. As long as we can do it w/o deaths or POWs getting their heads removed for public display, we'll be your macho manly ally in this war.

Pretty much agree with you, except this part:

Quote:American foreign work since 1990 is as evil as Stalin's or Hitler's ever was, what moral puke and I am the weirdo on this board for making this obvious case now.

You're trying so hard to point out that we are great at fucking up, that you actually try putting us on the same level with those two butchers. Its your "America is the Root of All Evil" approach that you are going totally overboard.

The main shortcoming with the US is that we actually believe we can change the world, and make it in our image. What stupidity.

If you really believe we are all that evil, just wait and see what is coming down the highway, once we are fiscally and monetarily forced to halt these poorly thought out excursions. Then you can really have something to bitch about.
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#51
(03-03-2015, 07:00 PM)John L Wrote: As for Junior, is there anyone here, who thinks he got things right in either Iraq or Afghanistan?

Even if it was a disaster, I'm sill more still comfortable with his conduct than that of his successor ... on a number of levels. It will likely be a much worse calamity given the fact that a President that was overzealous in engagement was followed by one that is overzealous in preemptive retreat, capitulation, legacy building and global security outsourcing. I say that given the nature of the 'new' old enemies (aka the JV team). The purpose of their doomsday cult is to draw us in on their terms John. Given their successes to date do you really think they'll ultimately fail at that task? We're left with some really shitty (non)choices. Take a politically infeasible impossible risk and re-engage directly ... or indulge in the delusion that we can 'manipulate' Shia irregulars/Iran and various ragtag proxies to do "our bidding". IOW pretty much sitting on our hands hoping for the best and/or waiting to get hit again. Don't you kinda wonder how and where they'll go about it this next time?
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#52
(03-04-2015, 12:00 AM)mr_yak Wrote:
(03-03-2015, 07:00 PM)John L Wrote: As for Junior, is there anyone here, who thinks he got things right in either Iraq or Afghanistan?

Even if it was a disaster, I'm sill more still comfortable with his conduct than that of his successor ... on a number of levels. It will likely be a much worse calamity given the fact that a President that was overzealous in engagement was followed by one that is overzealous in preemptive retreat, capitulation, legacy building and global security outsourcing. I say that given the nature of the 'new' old enemies (aka the JV team). The purpose of their doomsday cult is to draw us in on their terms John. Given their successes to date do you really think they'll ultimately fail at that task? We're left with some really shitty (non)choices. Take a politically infeasible impossible risk and re-engage directly ... or indulge in the delusion that we can 'manipulate' Shia irregulars/Iran and various ragtag proxies to do "our bidding". IOW pretty much sitting on our hands hoping for the best and/or waiting to get hit again. Don't you kinda wonder how and where they'll go about it this next time?

Jack, I'm not the "All one way, or all the other" sort of fellow. Must be some other mother. S13

As for them "going about it this next time?" I can't answer that one. As for me, were I going to do an act of terror, I'd find a way to make a huge statement, while going after the numbers, so as to terrorize the mostest. Perhaps not a mall now, since everyone is looking for that possibility. I like the idea of the subway best. I have no doubt that ISIS now has access to VX, via Syria, via Uncle Saddam. I'd smuggle in a tiny bottle of it, enter the subway, and with latex gloves, wipe down a few stair wells, and then pour a little bit here and there on the waiting platforms. then I would enter a subway, and start rubbing down some poles. If I make it to another station, rinse and repeat. No telling how many victims with things worked that way. VX is a horribly efficient way to kill people quickly. Its colorless, odorless, kills after a minute to 90seconds of agony, and would require countless millions of dollars to clean up. The shock value would be astronomical.

But my biggest act would be to earn a pilot's license, rent or steal an airplane, fill it with high explosives smuggled across the border, and fly the entire thing into the Hoover Dam. We're talking hundreds of millions to several trillion dollars damage, thousands killed, and almost the entire southwest becoming a desert wilderness.

Yep, those are the two things I would do if I Really, Really wanted to make a statement.
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#53
No John, just because we have not had a concentrated effort to murder like Hitler did YET does not mean our foreign affairs are not like his.

He had not killed all 6 million Jews and 6 million other "flawed people" in 1940, that didn't limit the evil his potential held, so what evil we've unleashed is not over, the chaos is going to consume millions of people.


I never said the US was the root of all evil, that's a red herring. We're sowing destruction right now, we're endangering the body of Christ in Asia Minor and we've catalyzed a religious war that laid dormant for 1000 years now by our interventions, the death we have energized may exceed Hitler's count.

You can support this place all you want, what we're about right now is beyond wrong. Just because others do evil is not a great reason to support the USA in our current orientation anymore than a German with a brain should have supported Hitler when they had the chance not to.
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(03-04-2015, 02:11 AM)Palladin Wrote: No John, just because we have not had a concentrated effort to murder like Hitler did YET does not mean our foreign affairs are not like his.

So, let's see. Hitler, like Stalin, had this habit of conquest, in which they looted the conquered of resources, art, and you name it. Possession was always nine tenths of the law. Naturally, we went about looting Iraqi oil, art treasures, and other various and sundry objects of value.

And the countries they invaded were not hostile toward them. Yep, that puts us right on line with them. You're right.

Quote: You can support this place all you want, what we're about right now is beyond wrong. Just because others do evil is not a great reason to support the USA in our current orientation anymore than a German with a brain should have supported Hitler when they had the chance not to.

You're problem is that you are not concentrating on the minority of individuals, politicians, and bureaucrats, who are screwing things up royally. I despise them as well. But instead of going after just the ones in power, you are chastising ALL of the citizenry with your broad brush. And whether or not you believe this, there are more decent people in this country than not.

But you are more than willing to,......here goes something I hate using......throw out the baby with the bathwater. So, what sort of perfect system are you going to replace it with? Since the system set up by our founders is no good for you, what are you going to do to 'fix' it?

Come on, instead of screeching and moaning about how terrible everything is, lets get some positive solutions along with them. I was always taught that if you don't have a solution, then don't complains about things. So, I'm going to wait until you take the time to come up with a REAL solution. But I'm not holding my breath.
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#55
Oh, one other thing I learned when I was majoring in history. One of my professors was very astute in stating that through this nation's history there have always been people complaining about how sorry things are, and how it is going to hell in a hand basket. He read examples of how people in specific times did this, and many were so accurate and could have been stated today, you included.

The point is that everyone tends to think only of the time they are living, and completely overlook history. Now, I have studied history, and you haven't. And you have even stated that you really aren't interested in that. So just remember what George Santayana stated. And how are we going to correct things if we are so certain that things are beyond hope? With the exception of my Mother, you are the most negative person I currently know. I just don't understand it. Its your attitude that is so depressing. Do you carry this with you, everywhere you go?
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(03-03-2015, 07:00 PM)John L Wrote: As for Junior, is there anyone here, who thinks he got things right in either Iraq or Afthanistan? By now everyone should know that if one has to do battle, one goes in, takes care of business, and then gets the hell out of Dodge. All this "Nation Building" manure is just that,...manure, and a total waste of time, lives, and resources.

What Bush 43 got right was the reasons for going in. We found WMD in Iraq to prove and justify going in there - and Afghanistan was a haven for those who attacked us. The first phase was also well done. Holding off "Shock and Awe" because we had a chance to lop off the head of resistance without collateral damage was an honorable approach, as well. The second and third phases were more problematical.

Bush 43 believed in bipartisanship and had much of his efforts blind-sided in both domestic and international endeavors. As Dinesh D'Souza pointed out in his biography of him, Bush 43 used Reagan as his model - not his own father, but misunderstood how Reagan dealt with his loyal opposition. Bush 43 decided to never confront lies. Because he didn't have Reagan's talent to communicate over and above the media, people to this day still believe there were no WMD in Iraq, and that greed and expansionism were a driving force.
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#57
Had Bush 43 levelled both Afghanistan and Iraq and then left, they'd still be picking up the piecs today and would have cost the US considerably less.
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#58
I absolutely agree, we should have gone in and taken Afghanistan out. But where you and I differ is that I believe we should have gotten out of there with a simple "That hurt didn't it? Now, do you want me to do this again?" reminder. It would have saved us a cool trillion dollars.

As for Iraq, we already knew Uncle Saddam had what most call WMDs. I contend that the Ga(tabun) and Gb(sarin) should not be considered WMDs, because they quickly dissipate, and are a one shot deal. VX, now that's a different story. But was it worth it all? In hindsight, we should never have gone in and invaded. If there was anyone worth taking out, it was Iran.

We simply cannot afford to play babysitter, and policeman, of the world. We just can't: in fact nobody really can. Its too easy to become insolvent in a hurry, and we are that. We just haven't collapsed yet, is all.

I'm somewhere between you and Palladin, but more closer to him. I'm just not as negative and down on the citizenry. I want us to get out act together, and stop poking our noses in everyone's business.
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#59
Had Bush leveled them, he'd be a mass murderer making Hitler look like a girl scout, too. No big consideration here, just as a reminder.
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#60
BTW John,

If you were to come upon news that 12 million people have died in the chaos of Iraq, Libya and Syria someday, you might reconsider. Just because we haven't reached that yet doesn't mean we won't and we will be responsible for making it likely to occur.

Exceptional Americans we are, it will still rival Hitlerian achievements in human misery and I suspect we'll be adding to our chaos creation in the coming years. Good thing our opponents aren't as good as Stalin at fighting back, the death rates would go higher.
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