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French Local Elections
#21
Well spoken, John! You are dead on with the comment against a circular model while the political model is strictly linear.

The dissonance in this discussion comes from the fact that no one is perfect, and everyone may have issues that don't fit with others who believe in almost everything that they do. It is impossible to attach a label on a person and have that define them.

A fiscal conservative is one thing, and a social conservative is another thing. What gets crazy are all the corollary issues and ideas that get subsumed by the labels. Many people assume Leftists are all pacifists, and those on the Right are all hawks.

So what is it that defines a person's political leaning? Fiscal theory, Social theory, Dove, Hawk? Historians, in general, look to the Founders beliefs as markers. Federalists and anti-Federalists were similar in basic beliefs, with difference mainly in how to reach the same outcomes. They didn't argue economics, because they all had read and followed the ideas of the same four philosophers.

In the USA, it makes more sense to throw out the Right-Left dichotomy and use Constitutional and Progressive, instead.
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#22
JohnL, I don't know where you got all this from.

Far-right in Europe is mainly separatist, localist and protectionist. And of course it's stupid!
Being separatist doesn't define as far-right, for example anti-EU in UK are not forcibly far-right, they are only stupid. But all far-right, of every flavor, are separatist.

That's one thing.

Another thing, is the slandering language taken by the left against the right (the pro-business, pro-economy and pro-liberties right) or the center-right if you will.

The left will call anything against them "fascist", "far-right", "nazi" etc... That's how they called Sarkozy. But that's not the source that you should take to make an opinion about the far-right.

The far-right and the right/center-right are two very different and in many respect, opposite things.
There is no gradual sliding from center-right to right to far-right. The right and the far-right are completely opposed. They don't share the same values. They never make political alliances. Politiicans almost never move from ome party to another.

Voters who vote for the right do so because they have their own business and want a better economic environement. Those who vote for the far-right think that everything bad comes from beyond the tribe's boundaries. Two radicaly different views.

I don't care what was the early carrier of Mussolini 100 years ago. What I hear is what the far-right leaders are saying now.
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#23
(03-27-2014, 04:20 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: Far-right in Europe is mainly separatist, localist and protectionist. And of course it's stupid!

Not just in Europe, there are separatists (secessionists) in the US too.... And of course S6
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#24
I noticed a very popular Secessionist Revival Movement on this forum since Obama's first election. Indeed. S5
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#25
Dividers, not uniters, Junior is crying...
Government is necessary because people left unchecked will do evil.

The government is composed of people left unchecked


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#26
It looks as though urban Euros are still living in LaLa land: Socialist Anne Hidalgo to be first female mayor of Paris.
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#27
Who cares who the mayor of Paris is!?
It's not the Duke of New York, AFAIK!
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#28
(03-31-2014, 06:31 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: Who cares who the mayor of Paris is!?
It's not the Duke of New York, AFAIK!

Obviously a lot of folks do Fred. But I'm happy to see you aren't impressed. Too bad so many are though. S5
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#29
That one person is nominated is no big deal.
Worse is the direction a governement is going to take by choosing ministers:
Anti-austerity leftist promoted in French cabinet reshuffle


It's realy realy realy hard to ask politicians to put their finance in order. They will continue to waste money...S7
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