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All new 2014 Constitution 101
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Hillsdale is offering an updated free course on the Constitution Here.

Hillsdale College is offering a newly revised no-cost 10 week online Constitution course, which begins February 24, 2014.
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The President of Hillsdale made a nice, concise appeal for rescuing the nation from Progressivism. He said how they did it, and set the issue on the table.

Larry Arnn Wrote:How do you conquer a nation without firing a shot? Leading Progressives like John Dewey came up with the answer over a century ago. Just embed your agenda into the educational system, and in a few generations you will transform the country.

Political Progressives had little use for America’s founding principles. Woodrow Wilson, the first progressive president, complained that “some citizens of this country have never got beyond the Declaration of Independence,” and said the Declaration was “of no consequence” to modern Americans. This view now dominates in our public schools.

And educational Progressives had little use for traditional teaching methods and purposes. Rather than teaching the Great Books of the Western tradition, Dewey recommended education as social development. The past century has seen curricular and teaching excellence replaced with short-lived theories rarely lasting more than a generation.

As a result, many public schools are no longer effective at teaching reading, writing, and arithmetic. They also no longer teach young Americans the history of their country—how it was founded on the principle of equal rights, and how it grew to become the freest and most prosperous nation in history.
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(12-12-2015, 01:57 PM)WmLambert Wrote: The President of Hillsdale made a nice, concise appeal for rescuing the nation from Progressivism. He said how they did it, and set the issue on the table.

Larry Arnn Wrote:How do you conquer a nation without firing a shot? Leading Progressives like John Dewey came up with the answer over a century ago. Just embed your agenda into the educational system, and in a few generations you will transform the country.

Political Progressives had little use for America’s founding principles. Woodrow Wilson, the first progressive president, complained that “some citizens of this country have never got beyond the Declaration of Independence,” and said the Declaration was “of no consequence” to modern Americans. This view now dominates in our public schools.

And educational Progressives had little use for traditional teaching methods and purposes. Rather than teaching the Great Books of the Western tradition, Dewey recommended education as social development. The past century has seen curricular and teaching excellence replaced with short-lived theories rarely lasting more than a generation.

As a result, many public schools are no longer effective at teaching reading, writing, and arithmetic. They also no longer teach young Americans the history of their country—how it was founded on the principle of equal rights, and how it grew to become the freest and most prosperous nation in history.

Couple of things here:

First, the writer states, "Woodrow Wilson, the first progressive president". If I recall correctly that is false. The first and second progressive presidents were Republicans: Theodore Roosevelt, and William Howard Taft. So he would be the third one.

Secondly, what is interesting is that conventional wisdom says Wilson was the last Progressive president, but we know that is simply not true. FDR was a Progressive as well, and Obama is at the very least a Progressive, following Mussolini's plan of stating at the ground floor and working upward through socialism over time. Nixon and Carter almost certainly followed the Progressive blueprint of government expansion. Nixon created the EPA and Carter the department of Education. Both are giant boondoggles of Big Government. I'd also tend to include both Big Government Bushes, especially GW's creation of Homeland Security.

The greatly satisfying thing is that not only is Hillsdale College officially recognizing that the enemy is really Progressivism, but the entire system as a whole is doing the same thing. Its way overdue.

Now, if Hannity and Rush Limbaugh will finally get the message.....................
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No. Theodore Roosevelt and Howard Taft were primarily trust-busters - not Constitution busters. Woodrow Wilson staked his legacy as wanting to destroy the Constitution and replace it with elite intellectuals who could run things efficiently. Him, I despise. Teddy Roosevelt was more a Conservationist than anything else.

I guess we can finesse what we think it means - but Wilson was the ultimate progenitor as far as I am concerned. Obama studied him and his theses in school - not Constitutional Law.
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(12-13-2015, 08:57 PM)WmLambert Wrote: No. Theodore Roosevelt and Howard Taft were primarily trust-busters - not Constitution busters. Woodrow Wilson staked his legacy as wanting to destroy the Constitution and replace it with elite intellectuals who could run things efficiently. Him, I despise. Teddy Roosevelt was more a Conservationist than anything else.

I guess we can finesse what we think it means - but Wilson was the ultimate progenitor as far as I am concerned. Obama studied him and his theses in school - not Constitutional Law.

You'll do anything to shield the DOP, won't you? S13

While Taft was a "wishy washy" Progressive, Teddy was Full Bore. I learned this in college fifty years ago no less.

Granted, Wilson was the worst of the lot, but he was not the first, or last from a practical sense.
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{Trying not to be nit-picky...) Teddy Roosevelt found himself in office 1901 and had not run before as a Progressive. For 2004, he tried to walk a tightrope between conservative Republicans in Congress because he needed their support to win nomination. He specifically held off the more Progressive aspects of his domestic agenda. As I said earlier, he went ahead with the "Trust Buster" philosophy and used the bully pulpit ruthlessly in that end. When Mark Hanna died, there was virtually no opponents to run against, and he didn't actually campaign. He won in a landslide, and all of his advisers and cabinet members were Conservative Republicans. He never tried for another term.

He supported William Howard Taft as his successor, but was miffed when Taft broomed all of the Roosevelt cabinet officers to have his own hand-picked secretaries. The more Progressive Roosevelt supporters fought Taft tooth-and-nail considering him as not being the Progressive leader they wanted.

That was Wilson. He was the genuine first Progressive.
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(12-13-2015, 11:02 PM)WmLambert Wrote: {Trying not to be nit-picky...) Teddy Roosevelt found himself in office 1901 and had not run before as a Progressive. For 2004, he tried to walk a tightrope between conservative Republicans in Congress because he needed their support to win nomination. He specifically held off the more Progressive aspects of his domestic agenda. As I said earlier, he went ahead with the "Trust Buster" philosophy and used the bully pulpit ruthlessly in that end. When Mark Hanna died, there was virtually no opponents to run against, and he didn't actually campaign. He won in a landslide, and all of his advisers and cabinet members were Conservative Republicans. He never tried for another term.

He supported William Howard Taft as his successor, but was miffed when Taft broomed all of the Roosevelt cabinet officers to have his own hand-picked secretaries. The more Progressive Roosevelt supporters fought Taft tooth-and-nail considering him as not being the Progressive leader they wanted.

That was Wilson. He was the genuine first Progressive.

Well, since you are always right about everything, I guess my college history professor was wrong. Were he alive today, I would have to write him and refer you to him. S13
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How many college history professors told you how Wilson walked on water, or how great FDR was? I prefer historians who document their info and tell the truth. At least we agree how bad Wilson was.

I never said that Teddy and Taft didn't lean Progressive. It was the political fad of the era. What I believe is that the later Progressives wanted to grab them as their own and revision everything they ever did as being pure at heart Progressives. The truth is, that Teddy was quite Conservative in some ways, and Progressive in others. He was uneasy directly ignoring the Constitution, unlike Wiison, who wanted more than anything to pull it down entirely and replace it with professorial Progressives like Engels and Marx... you know: those who can do it better because they are smarter. And, BTW, he thought minorities weren't worth inclusion.
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(12-14-2015, 07:32 PM)WmLambert Wrote: How many college history professors told you how Wilson walked on water, or how great FDR was?

None whatsoever. Remember I went to the Citadel, where political correctness and coddling bed wetters was never allowed. Obviously you are thinking about where you went to college and applied that reasoning to all others.

Quote: The truth is, that Teddy was quite Conservative in some ways,

Bill, everybody, Everybody is conservative by nature. Its in our genes. we resist change, because it keeps the species successful. That is why that word is one of the most intellectually lazy designations out there. But you already know that.
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Yes, I understand the contemporaneous usage. ...both "conservative" and "progressive."

My focus is on the exploitative progressives: the ones who use it as part of Alynski. I understand the good nature of bright educators like John Dewey, but look at his actions through the prism of history. FDR's advisers didn't know how poorly Stalin's systems would turn out. They were enchanted by the language - not by history. Wilson was a bigot and a bully, but I doubt he hated kids and small animals. They, like everyone, did what they thought was the right thing to do at the time.

Our task, at this end of history, is to look at the outcomes of foolish people and apply the lessons of history to correct their foolishness, and set things right. The hardest part is to redefine the ingrained, but wrong, settled beliefs held for so long by well-meaning people who never got exposed to reality. For instance, we know we are in an ice age interim period and that lower global temperatures are basically bad, but many don't.

Two approaches. One is to set the chain of logic straight.
The second, is to defy the Machiavellian intrigue that uses disinformation for power and wealth.

Both act together and are symbiotic. Fixing it isn't easy. It involves a new ingredient: charismatic leadership needed to battle entrenched belief systems.
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Teddy was the first POTUS who laid the foundation for the Wilsonian nonsense that plagues the earth right now though. The "Great White Fleet" was his contribution to our burgeoning Roman Empire role.

Wilson probably was the first total internationalist.
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