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Comparing Christianity to Islam
#61
You stop a hundred Islamists from beheading victims by finding them and stopping them. You stop religious perversion by telling those who pervert to stop. To do it successfully, the people they want to be like must reject them. It gets complicated, b ut war is complicated. The end goal is to stop the evil.

MacArthur forced the Emperor to admit to not be a god. It took Atomic bombs to do it, but the Emperor stepped down.
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#62
Problem is we can't make war like the WWII generation did now. MacArthur didn't occupy Japan with force, he walked right into a devastated populace and told them what to do.

That's never going to happen again in our history. That's also why we can't win a war.
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#63
Funny. I thought we won the war in Panama. And Kuwait. And Afghanistan. And Iraq. We drove the North Koreans out of South Korea, and have succeeded in keeping them out. We also drove the North Vietnamese army completely out of South Vietnam, and trained and equipped the South Vietnamese army to be more than equal to what was left of the shattered North Vietnamese army. We signed a peace agreement with the North Vietnamese, and Nobel Peace Prizes were awarded. But then leftist Democrats in the U.S. Congress gave South Vietnam away to the communists. So why do you say we can't win a war? Has anyone ever defeated us?
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#64
(03-14-2016, 01:48 PM)Ron Lambert Wrote: Funny. I thought we won the war in Panama. And Kuwait. And Afghanistan. And Iraq. We drove the North Koreans out of South Korea, and have succeeded in keeping them out. We also drove the North Vietnamese army completely out of South Vietnam, and trained and equipped the South Vietnamese army to be more than equal to what was left of the shattered North Vietnamese army. We signed a peace agreement with the North Vietnamese, and Nobel Peace Prizes were awarded. But then leftist Democrats in the U.S. Congress gave South Vietnam away to the communists. So why do you say we can't win a war? Has anyone ever defeated us?

Ron, I believe you have many of the facts down, but you are managing to miss others. In Korea, the UN forces stormed north all the way to the Chosin Reservoir, which was waaaaaay up there. Here's the map:

[Image: Korean-map-Marines-Chosin.jpg]

And then the Chinese came in and forced us to retreat to the North-South border vicinity. There things dragged on for two and a half years. The UN's idea of a police action.

Panama wasn't a war. Kuwait was a UN sanctioned action that pushed "what's his face" out of the oil rich country. And Iraq was an undeclared action that had no congressional authority, because no war was declared. Getting Congresses vage approval of force was just a slick way of circumventing the law. Thank you Junior. But worst of all we stayed there and wasted over a trillion dollars by throwing it down the "Nation Building" waste disposal. What a waste of time, resources and lives for us.
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#65
Ron,

Yea, we won the war in Afghanistan. That's why the Taliban is taking over provinces while we recede. Yes, we definitely won Iraq, that's why the current state is aligned with Iran, our ostensible arch enemy on earth and otherwise has tolerated ISIS in 1/3 of their state, right? We told them didn't we Ron!!!@#$?

I should be more specific.

When the people of the state we war on don't want to do what we want, we cannot win a war.

We can't commit war crimes like bombing huge cities relentlessly like FDR and Truman got away with. We're "exceptional people" and we've preached humanitarian warfare to the world since 1946. If a total war happens again, we will be on the receiving end of it.
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#66
What you guys are conflicted about is winning the peace - not winning the war.

Of course we won all the police actions and wars (declared or otherwise.) The problem has been the politicians and media trying to frame the conflicts as imperialism and thuggery, when it was usually the beleaguered victims who wanted us to help them. When we were there the people were glad for our protective service. When we left - the peoples' own rulers let them down.

One shouldn't berate us for doing good, and then for the good to be squandered by the very people we helped. If that is the argument, then the issue isn't doing good - but in ceasing the effort prematurely. IOW, wanting us to be at war forever.

We do what we can, then get out. Being angry that the victims are re-victimized is not always on our hands.
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#67
Bill, you can afford to think that way because you have never had to get in the trenches and actually practice what you are preaching. You never served in the military, much less a combat branch. So, to you its just some abstract exercise. Fortunately, I was lucky, and never was in the front lines. But I've been caught in a few scraps out there. And I've seen things you wouldn't care to think about. After a while, you just don't want to experience it anymore. That makes you look at things a bit differently.

Perhaps you should take a good dose of Trace Adkins, and play those Wounded Warrior videos for a few days, just to help give some idea of the price so many have to pay for all those wars that uninvolved civilians got them into. Every time one of his advertisements comes on, I can't help but get choked up and thank g-d as to just how lucky I was, only catching some shrapnel. But those folks weren't so lucky. Normally I don't get emotional, due to my SSRI medication, but I always get teary-eyed watching those poor victims and their families.

My point is that every avenue should be pursued before placing our boys in harm's way, because the butcher's bill is terribly high. Perhaps you can live with it because you don't have to personally stick your neck in the noose, like they do.
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#68
I agree with you, John.

Watching those wounded warrior vids brings guilt to me. I read once of this mother whose son was a teen, joined the Army, got severe brain damage in Iraq and voila, her life is changed as his was.

That's reality. 25 retired soldier suicides a day, that's reality. I'm as guilty as anyone most my life supporting any war effort.

We should all be very reluctant to support wars. These soldiers get hurt and so do innocents on the other side, everyone isn't Adolf Hitler out there.

We used to be less anxious to make war, you should read the book about GHW Bush deciding to attack Noriega, that was not done lightly. That's how I wish we would act in the future. Not pacifist, but, a reluctant warrior nation.
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#69
The postt is true. I've never been at the pointy end - but i did try. I would have been a few classes behind McCain at Annapolis, but one eye was not 20-20 so I went to UM instead. I do commiserate - and many of my closest friends never made it back from Nam.

The issue, however, is those 100 victims lined up on the beach and beheaded. We do have the power to stop such atrocities, but choose not to. Anyone who thinks we don't have the capability to do it is accepting the Left's apology strategy. Those who think we just can't afford it may have a point, but priorities argue strongly, also.

Simple changes of rules of engagement may be all we need.
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#71
Although I am not going to blame Islam for what was done to this Christian gentleman, the proper response of a Christian to this brutality is to pray for these perps that God will use their brutality to open their eyes to Christ and their fellow religionists as opposed to what Islam does call for, which is a violent reaction,

So, as awful as this is, it's a heck of a lesson in a major difference.

http://torontocatholicwitness.blogspot.c...l-was.html
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#72
What about these guys?

Taliban says it targeted Christians in a park on Easter Sunday, killing 70

The naked truth is that it really IS Islam that is to blame for all this. When its founder based it upon anything but peace, don't expect peace and civility to thrive.

[Image: MythsofIslam.jpg]
Myths of Islam


Jihad Report
Last 30 Days


Attacks 147
Killed 1169
Injured 3221
Suicide Blasts 36
Countries 25
List of Attacks

Its really sad, but the more Christians they murder, the more Muslims see this, and are visited by their conscience in their sleep, causing the ranks of Christians to swell even greater.

Hatred and violence is its own worst enemy. And Islam is chock full of just that.
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#73
(03-28-2016, 01:18 PM)Palladin Wrote: Although I am not going to blame Islam for what was done to this Christian gentleman, the proper response of a Christian to this brutality is to pray for these perps that God will use their brutality to open their eyes to Christ and their fellow religionists as opposed to what Islam does call for, which is a violent reaction,

So, as awful as this is, it's a heck of a lesson in a major difference.

http://torontocatholicwitness.blogspot.c...l-was.html

I dunno...

It was once said that the way to stop the Irish-British conflict (which was largely religious) was for the children of murdered parents to grow up with no memories of atrocity that called for revenge. It's like the Hatfields and McCoys writ large. With the atrocities never ending, new hatred expands exponentially.

The same thing is all over the Bible. Jericho was destroyed because they blocked the Israelite's search for the Promised Land. There's always something that happens that suck in the unwary. Those who have weathered the storm may gain the wisdom to build life from death, but others just react.
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#74
The OT says Jericho was destroyed because most the inhabitants were not just human beings. They were a hybrid mix the Babylonians called apkallu and the Jews called nephilim. I know that's nonsense to modern folks and it may really just be metaphorical info, but, that's what the text has it as.

That's why YHWH is said to have placed a kherem/ban on Jericho's populace. That happened to a handful of other villages(Ai being another) and not to most the opponents of Jewish hegemony back then. Most just lost or retreated and they were treated normally or never did lose, like the Philistines. That bunch never fell and there's a chance some of the Gazan Arabs are part Greek seaman from the old days.

The response of a Christian to the martyrdom in Syria is just a juxtaposition of how a Christian is to personally handle thinking about those who hate us as opposed to how Islam teaches. Just forgiveness and prayer.
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#75
I don't think so Bill.  

Its all over the Old Testament, but not the New, if my less than sterling memory is correct.  There must be a reason for that. S5
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#76
This is interesting data:

https://pjmedia.com/faith/2016/03/28/six...e-quran/6/

Six Startling Contrasts Between the Bible and the Quran
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#77
This YouTube video really belongs in a lot of threads, because it pertains to so much about Islam. So, I'm going to place it here, and one other place. I'm not an "Info-Wars" person, but this Brit seems to have his shit together, especially when it comes to Islam, the religion of Peace.

We Need Islam Control, Not Gun Control


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#78
Does this present pope bother any Roman Catholics about his stands on several important subjects? I'm not a Roman Catholic, but I am a baptized and confirmed catholic: an Anglican Catholic. And this guy scares me an awful lot, mostly because his lack of knowledge. Here's what I mean.

Quote:Pope Francis: ‘Muslim Terrorism Does Not Exist’

In an impassioned address Friday, Pope Francis denied the existence of Islamic terrorism, while simultaneously asserting that “the ecological crisis is real.”
“Christian terrorism does not exist, Jewish terrorism does not exist, and Muslim terrorism does not exist. They do not exist,” Francis said in his speech to a world meeting of populist movements.

What he apparently meant is that not all Christians are terrorists and not all Muslims are terrorists—a fact evident to all—yet his words also seemed to suggest that no specifically Islamic form of terrorism exists in the world, an assertion that stands in stark contradiction to established fact.

“No people is criminal or drug-trafficking or violent,” Francis said, while also suggesting—as he has on other occasions—that terrorism is primarily a result of economic inequalities rather than religious beliefs. “The poor and the poorer peoples are accused of violence yet, without equal opportunities, the different forms of aggression and conflict will find a fertile terrain for growth and will eventually explode.”

The Pope also reiterated his conviction that all religions promote peace and that the danger of violent radicalization exists equally in all religions.

“There are fundamentalist and violent individuals in all peoples and religions—and with intolerant generalizations they become stronger because they feed on hate and xenophobia,” he said.

The man totally lacks the knowledge AND wisdom to realize that the problem is Islam, not humans in general. I'm wondering if there are any advisors in the Papacy, who are boned up on Islam, and actually try to show him where Islam actually preaches the conquest of unbelievers through the "Sword"?

And on top of that, he actually believes that Quote "Climate Change UnQuote is more dangerous.

Quote:While denying the existence of Islamic terrorism, Francis also seemed to condemn the denial of global warming, asserting that “the ecological crisis is real.”

“A very solid scientific consensus indicates that we are presently witnessing a disturbing warming of the climatic system,” he said.

We know “what happens when we deny science and disregard the voice of Nature,” the Pope said. “Let us not fall into denial. Time is running out. Let us act. I ask you again—all of you, people of all backgrounds including native people, pastors, political leaders—to defend Creation.”

While acknowledging that science is not “the only form of knowledge,” and that “science is not necessarily ‘neutral’” and often “conceals ideological views or economic interests,” he still insisted that people of good will should not oppose “scientific consensus” regarding global warming.

My friend Mike is a Roman Catholic, and he is so angry at the Church that he is not going to mass until this pope is removed, either forcefully, or naturally. Aww
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#79
And this migration expert, who studies Islam, states that there are More than 50 million Muslims are willing to support those who carry out terror attacks to defend their religion, migration expert warns the EU.

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Quote:A migration expert warns that there are more than 50 million Muslims willing to accept violence and support those who carry out terror attacks to defend their religion.

Professor Ruud Koopmans of the Netherlands warned the EU on Monday to block the entry of any refugees whose identity cannot be categorically confirmed.

Koopmans said that of the 1billion adult Muslims in the world, 'half of them are attached to an arch-conservative Islam which places little worth on the rights of women, homosexuals, and people of other faiths'.

In an interview with a German news website he claimed that of these 500million conservative Muslims, at least – and probably more – than 50million are willing to sanction violence.

Koopmans, who is a professor of sociology and migration research at the Humboldt University of Berlin and the director of integration research at the WZB Berlin Social Science Centre, stressed that not every one of them was ready to exert violence directly.

But he added: 'They support the radicals, they encourage them and provide them shelter or simply keep their mouths shut when they observe radicalization.'

Not once does this expert ever mention Islam as a religion,.................because it's not. Its a autocratic cult, passing itself off as a religion. That's why.

He needs to go to Rome and talk to the clueless pope residing there. Gah
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#80
John,

Your question about Catholics is YES. Many dislike Pope Francis. But, he's not wrong on all his views. Just some.
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