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Mexico
#1
Lost in the drug war era down south, Mexico is going to become a nice place to live in the next generation I bet.


http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp...2013_pg4_4
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#2
President Enrique Pena Nieto, and his supporters, are trying to stay one step ahead of the US, and Canada, as North America becomes the world's energy leader in the next few years. And competition is the only way to accomplish this, not State control.

This is ultimately good for all three NA countries, because it stimulates competition, where everyone wins in the end.

And Mexico will become a nicer place to live, once the Grand Solar Minimum occurs again. Mexico will be cooler, as will the US southern states. If South Carolina, where my daughter lives, drops three to five degrees in the near future, I will be able to enjoy living on their land, in my RV. But I'll take a pass on Mexico. S5
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#3
Yea, it will be good for everyone concerned.
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#4
Yes, in a fairly short time frame, Mexico will be more first-world than third-world, and a much better neighbor. As their wage rates rise, ours will not have the same draw it now has, and the pressure at the borders will more reflect the border between Canada and the US.

The main growth point that I see is changing the lack of individual property rights. In Mexico, the state owns all the minerals and resources, so there is little encouragement for the individual entrepreneur to use them properly.
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#5
Centuries of endemic corruption are going to be very, very tough to reverse. Throwing more money into the mix could go either way. The property rights issue is huge but it goes far, far beyond just the property or mineral rights concerns. The systems to even properly title private property aren't reliable or trustworthy. Deeds are 'malleable' ... subjects to the bureaucrats in charge or maintaining the records ... those who are their friends, those who are their enemies ... and who pays the largest bribes for things to disappear or for the ink to get smeared ... or be replaced entirely. When I lived in El Paso in the '80s the local socialists in Juarez would regularly often begin constructing housing projects on vacant lots without permits or any sort of 'clear' [again, clear often isn't very 'clear' in Mexico] title. When the owner (or someone claiming to be the owner) showed up with the bulldozers, the rioting and shooting would start. Fixing something like that is a Herculean task. It pervades their entire society. Most people are too used to going along with it. There's a long history of disappearance or injury to those who demand change. The more successful 'demands' are usually wroght with violence. It doesn't bode well for any sort of productive transition. By all rights, Mexico should be one of the world's leading powers, but they're dragging too much baggage.
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#6
Totally correct, but one plus is its neighbor. The draw to come to the US is because of the economy and the basic system. It's hard to lean against something without having a bit of that something come off and stick to you. Remember, the world is shrinking because technology has made distance unimportant. It doesn't take a week of traveling to see what is happening elsewhere. The average denizen is no longer forever insulated and cutoff from the rest of the world. A click of a Mouse or fingertip is all it takes to see through others' eyes.

One of the reasons the big families were able to control so much territory, as a feudal entity, was because they could do everything without exposure. The terms of the equation are breaking down and the old axioms no longer hold the way they used to.
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#7
"Shorty" Guzman arrested.
If they can get serious about the mafia rings, it can become a better place.
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#8
Just a quick, late reply here. Those mafia type thugs were not operable there until the last 15 years or so. American cash flow for various drug sources created disaster in Columbia and now it's migrated to Mexico.

If Mexicans sucked in coke like Americans do and Canada was where coke began, America would be the Mexico thugdom and Mexicans would be saying, Yea, if the yanks could just get rid of those mafia types and their violence".
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#9
Concur with mr_yak. In addition there is endemic corruption, including police taking bribes and the drug lord infiltrating the government and military. One pays a bribe to get a phone, etc. I see little class mobility. Millions of Mexicans migrate to the US for a better life. When that stops, I will consider that Mexico may be "on the right track". Corporatism is another form of bribe. There is more, I am sure.
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#10
When they start going back or stop coming here, it will because we merely achieved parity with Mexico.
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#11
(06-03-2014, 05:32 PM)Gunnen4u Wrote: When they start going back or stop coming here, it will because we merely achieved parity with Mexico.

That certainly appears to be Obama's goal.
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#12
I am fine with it. Bring on the new barbarian age. The Age of the Boomers, shall end.
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#13
The age of the Boomers has already ended. Millennials have supplanted them numerically.
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#14
No, the Age of Boomers isn't over till they completely relinquish the reins of gov't, finance, business, and stop voting for the shit they idealized in the 60s and 70s. At present, most of these qualifications have not come to pass. It'll happen in the next ten years though, maybe 15.
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#15
That was pretty much my conclusion as well Tait. And let's not forget the 'reigns of education' as well.
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#16
Millennials outnumber Boomers already - and more importantly, are more tech savvy and outspend them 3:2.

Yes the older politicians may run things - but to remain in power for even a short period, must tailor their governance to please them.

See here.
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#17
The boomers are the sorriest generation in this country's history. The millenials might be wiser than our generation was.
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#18
They certainly will be disillusioned. And for all we know, a backlash is in the works and a change in political outlook will make itself apparent in the coming decades as things devolve. Meanwhile, Mexico, for all it's problems, will continue to operate as Mexico, trundling along as it always has.
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(06-06-2014, 10:21 AM)Palladin Wrote: The boomers are the sorriest generation in this country's history. The millenials might be wiser than our generation was.

You'll have to speak for yourself Patrick. I was born in October, 1944, so I'm a war baby. But I am certainly glad I am not a member of the baby boomers. Whew!
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(06-03-2014, 09:41 PM)Gunnen4u Wrote: I am fine with it. Bring on the new barbarian age. The Age of the Boomers, shall end.

Piss off. You're young and spry and probably don't ache like hell every morning. In a 'fair' fight you would certainly win. But there's no way my generation is gonna fight 'fair', we're the sneakiest, devious, deceitful, dastardly, selfish generation ever. We aren't going down without an ugly fight. Expect to see an armed militant wing of AARP in another year or two. And once we've exhausted the wealth inherited or stolen from our parents, we're coming after you guys.

... and we'll need new organs too ... you sound like you live pretty cleanly so don't be surprised if a few of us are eying your liver and kidneys. The age of wealth redistribution will soon give way to the age of organ redistribution. You've got two kidneys kid ... and you only really need one! ... it's all about 'fairness'!!
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