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Middle East Meltdown Pt. 2
Next in line:

Islamists threaten to behead journalist Steven Sotloff, former UCF student

In other signs of progress:


Yazidis Commit Mass-Suicide (can we claim victory and leave?), also.

Not to overlook now free Libya:

Islamic Militants Gang Rape Construction Worker In Libya After Beheading Catholic Nurse

and moving even further West from Libya:

Islamic State Supporters Encourage Rioters In Ferguson
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mv Wrote:Yazidis Commit Mass-Suicide (can we claim victory and leave?), also.
Only 3 girls commited suicide. I wonder if it's because they were psychologicaly hurt by the rape or it was out of belief that once you lose your virginity your only hope is death? ...They are a minority for a reason.

mv Wrote:Not to overlook now free Libya:
Islamic Militants Gang Rape Construction Worker In Libya After Beheading Catholic Nurse
Islam is so popular with muslims. That should boost Ilsamic faith across the whole Africa.

They also stoned to death two women for adultery. Islam keeps up the moral ground.

mv Wrote:and moving even further West from Libya:

Islamic State Supporters Encourage Rioters In Ferguson
Sending humvees or what they call now, MRAPs. Same response.

JL Wrote:What I like best about the Kurds is their tolerance to others. They tend to get along with just about every minority in the area, and look at them as potential allies. ....
Let's hope there are finaly sane poeple in this region.

But the problem is that the Kurds are still a tribe, not a movement. They fight for themselves and take smaller minorities with them, ok, but that won't spread beyond Kurdistan. All the muslims around them will stay the same.

Muslims in these regions still aprove by and large IS atrocities. Maybe in the future they will revolt against it but I don't se it coming. In Afghanistan Taliban are back in full force. This can't happen without a minimum of population support.

I don't understand how muslims can stay muslims after what the IS and the Taliban are doing. Somehow it means they aprove. At least nobody fight against them.

Only non-muslims and Kurds.

Shiites don't fight them: They have their own Islamic State.
Fred,

Same way I can remain a believing Christian knowing some German Christians went apostate and worshipped or at least compromised their faith over Adolf Hitler or some American Christians held slaves or joined the KKK after 1866, or some Christians beat their wives,etc.
Fred Wrote:But the problem is that the Kurds are still a tribe, not a movement.

Worse than this. Kurds are more than one tribe, heck, they are more than one tribal alliance. Check on Kurdish Civil War from 1990s, for instance.
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(08-20-2014, 03:52 PM)Fredledingue Wrote:
mv Wrote:Yazidis Commit Mass-Suicide (can we claim victory and leave?), also.
Only 3 girls commited suicide. I wonder if it's because they were psychologicaly hurt by the rape or it was out of belief that once you lose your virginity your only hope is death? ...They are a minority for a reason.

You are correct Fred. I read that yesterday, but forgot to post it. The journalist who started that story should be ashamed of him/her self.

Quote:
mv Wrote:Not to overlook now free Libya:
Islamic Militants Gang Rape Construction Worker In Libya After Beheading Catholic Nurse
Islam is so popular with muslims. That should boost Ilsamic faith across the whole Africa.

They also stoned to death two women for adultery. Islam keeps up the moral ground.

This is exactly why Arabs are not high on my list. I have been willing to think better of them, but they have done so much of it that I have washed my hands of them as a group.

And when you mix Islam(the religion of peace as Junior described it), with willful backwardness, all one has to do is just examine Arabs in general. No need to use a microscope.

mv Wrote:and moving even further West from Libya:

Fred Wrote:[quote="JL"]What I like best about the Kurds is their tolerance to others. They tend to get along with just about every minority in the area, and look at them as potential allies. ....
Let's hope there are finaly sane poeple in this region.

But the problem is that the Kurds are still a tribe, not a movement. They fight for themselves and take smaller minorities with them, ok, but that won't spread beyond Kurdistan. All the muslims around them will stay the same.

Fred, it is not the Kurd's responsibility to be held accountable for others in their vicinity. They have enough on their own plate to handle. And overall, they are doing a pretty good job so far. Be happy for that, and not condemn them as other here have, ok?

Fred Wrote:Muslims in these regions still aprove by and large IS atrocities. Maybe in the future they will revolt against it but I don't se it coming. In Afghanistan Taliban are back in full force. This can't happen without a minimum of population support.

I don't understand how muslims can stay muslims after what the IS and the Taliban are doing. Somehow it means they aprove. At least nobody fight against them.

And this is going to be to their everlasting shame, if they are not allowed to forget this in the future. There is going to have to be a lot of begging for forgiveness before I am willing to forgive them of their sins.
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"INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - David Horowitz

US Mission to Rescue Hostages in Syria went a la Carter Failed
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(08-20-2014, 08:05 PM)mv Wrote: US Mission to Rescue Hostages in Syria went a la Carter Failed
Interresting.

Palladin, the difference is that when christians do something bad or criminal or immoral, they don't do it by religion. Save some wierd sects like KKK or the Knight-Monks during the crusades and to a much lesser extent some dumbass in the DonBas.

I mean it's not a widespread custom in christianity to support violence and immoral behavior. Islam does. If a husband muslim beats his whife he has a verset in the Quran which protects him from prosecution and allow him to put the blame on his whife(ves).
If a muslim kills other poeple and says he does it for Islam he also has versets in the Quran which will make him a heroe instead of a murderer.
It's possible to do these kind of things without being in contradiction with Islam. While the same in Christianism is impossible. That's why most of the wars done by the West have not been for expanding christianism thought you can find examples of Christian holly war or religious wars of course. But even then, the religious factor was much less important than history books show.

How can UK girls still wear marks of Islamism when the IS comit such crimes? It's beyond me. Well, this trend started after 9/11 and they still pretend that their religion is a religion of peace!
One should gather all these girls in one place, show them movies of the atrocities commited in the name of their religion, how they stone women, behead men etc and then ask them if they still want to wear clothes that support these terorists.
We should do it!

It's like me wearing a svastika and claiming that Nazism is not bad. That only a minority group used Nazism as a pretext to genocide poeple, but Nazism is non-violent and works for peace etc. And fact is, that the svastika, if drawn in the opposite direction as the Nazi svastika is a sign of life in Hinduist culture, but there is limit to stupidity.
Muslim girls in the West don't this limit it seems.
Wear proudly your muslim veil UK girls!
68 muslims killed in the name of Islam, your religion of peace.

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Noticed: Kurds have humvees now. But they are dark green: Recently imported without being repainted. Not from the Iraqis-US army depot.
A bit closer to Baghdad, Kurds launch attack to retake Iraq town of Jalawla.

Meanwhile, Italy and Germany is getting ready to supply arms and ammunition to the Kurds. And it is becoming quite apparent that the Kurds are going to need to supply all of those new recruits: Young Kurds From Turkey Flock To Iraq And Syria To Fight.
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"INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - David Horowitz

Hamas: We're a better class of terrorists!
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
OK, Good guys are advancing and scoring! Talks on Iraqi Government Suspended after Attack on Sunni Mosqu - Gunmen Kill 65 in Diyala Province

Looking at the map one wonders if the killers were not our good Shia friends but rather our good Kurd friends.... there are no Shia in that area.
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US is panicking over the IS threat to Chicago?
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(08-23-2014, 10:08 AM)mv Wrote: US is panicking over the IS threat to Chicago?

Not on your life. Average citizens may be, but this administration hasn't a real care in the world. Meanwhile, MacDaddy enjoys his golf strategy game, and the rest of the cronies just scurry around as is it is far far away.

And this can be good in the long run. We can only hope, for the sake of the rest of us, that the terrorists manage to hit some Jackass heavy sites(New Yawk malls, Chicago rail/tram stations, San Fransisco landmarks, LA interstates, etc) and expose MacDaddy for what he is: a total waste of leadership. And then all these kooks could be traced back to crossing over the southern border. Now, that would be priceless. S18

If it was my decision, I would make it about ten malls, all over the country, all at once, in order to gain the maximum effect.

The long term strategy is to make the Jackasses look so inept they will not have a snowballs chance in hell of owning the WH in 2016.

Now, if we can only find a way to include the Dumbasses in this as well. S22
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"INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - David Horowitz

(08-23-2014, 01:16 PM)John L Wrote: If it was my decision, I would make it about ten malls, all over the country, all at once, in order to gain the maximum effect.

The long term strategy is to make the Jackasses look so inept they will not have a snowballs chance in hell of owning the WH in 2016.

The long term strategy is to maintain U.S. impotence. The ideal outcome would be Obama as "President for Life" (aka one long golfing trip). I don't see that happening.

If you want to weaken a sleeping lion you don't jab it up the asshole with a hot poker. You cut it a little and bleed it a little bit at a time without totally enraging it. War weariness only goes so far. If you murdered another few thousand U.S. citizens on our own soil with a single even or closely timed events, the you spin everyone up again to a 2001-2003 furvor. That's bad for these guys. Small scale executions, maybe taking down an airliner every once in a while ... We'd probably get acclimated to that over time.

Regarding capability, there are apparently thousands of UK and European fighters that don't need U.S. visas to enter the country perfectly legally ... maybe a few hundred home grown shitheads with U.S. passports ... and about 2000 miles of unguarded border ... a "baby faced" terrorist could probably walk right up to Border Patrol, turn him/herself in, be moved into a detention center, dispersed into the U.S. and then simply walk out into the night. They probably have the capability of doing anything their imagination can conjure. ... but tactically, making a "big splash" carries some potential costs.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
Jack, I suspect it is only a matter of time until such terrorists acts occur. Writer, such as Tom Clancy, wrote about it, and it is the perfect way to instill fear into the enemy's homeland. I'm somewhat surprised this has not happened already. Perhaps such things as 'time' and 'distance' do play a part here. But sooner or later, these two hindrances will be overcome. And then,...............Watch Out!

And who will be the biggest loser? The biggest loser will be sitting in the WH. Granted he will be physically insulated, but what was the old saying about reputation?



“You're not Dostoevsky,' said the citizeness, who was getting muddled by Koroviev. Well, who knows, who knows,' he replied.
'Dostoevsky's dead,' said the citizeness, but somehow not very confidently.
'I protest!' Behemoth exclaimed hotly. 'Dostoevsky is immortal!” ― Mikhail Bulgakov, The Master and Margarita
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"INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - David Horowitz

(08-23-2014, 02:33 PM)mr_yak Wrote:
(08-23-2014, 01:16 PM)John L Wrote: If it was my decision, I would make it about ten malls, all over the country, all at once, in order to gain the maximum effect.

The long term strategy is to make the Jackasses look so inept they will not have a snowballs chance in hell of owning the WH in 2016.

The long term strategy is to maintain U.S. impotence. The ideal outcome would be Obama as "President for Life" (aka one long golfing trip). I don't see that happening.

Vote Democrat and hope for the best!

Quote:If you want to weaken a sleeping lion you don't jab it up the asshole with a hot poker. You cut it a little and bleed it a little bit at a time without totally enraging it. War weariness only goes so far. If you murdered another few thousand U.S. citizens on our own soil....
9/11 resulted in a much weaker and nearly bankrupt US today than 13 years ago. Worked just fine.

And what about few millions instead?



In related news, Ann Summers apologizes to ISIS. S13
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John,

The talking point is that there hasn't been another terror attack on U.S. soil on Obama's watch. ... with the exception of the Boston bombing, Ft. Hood ... and other incidents that tend to get minimized. You're correct that a 'major' attack would obliterate that narrative. But it would also ... eventually ... even 2 1/2 years delayed perhaps, release a major flood of retribution ... possibly not on the scale of Afghanistan and Iraq, but certainly enough to wreck any wouild-be Caliphates in Iraq and Syria. I saw some commentary today on how the U.S. military is desperately trying to tutor the Obama Administration. Chuck Hagel's pronouncements are about 180 degrees out of phase with what the current WH line. Obama is a lame duck president. As such, he doesn't have much to lose. The Administration's only dog in this fight is keeping the dogs out of the fight. The most glaring casualty here would be HRC. The Clintons are capable of some remarkable feats ... but successfully attacking, sloughing off or attempting to defend a foreign policy that she actually 'owned' and managed?? ... not likely. It also would do remarkable damage to the party itself and it's minions and would make for major squirm factor (frankly, I would absolutely LOVE to see Kerry take a swing at a journalist for asking an embarrassingly inconvenient question) ... but like I said, it would be enormously self defeating to the terrorists themselves. Sure it would scare Americans ... but I really doubt that the reaction would be to negotiate it away ... how do you negotiate with somebody that wants to kill you? ... you don't ... you take the fight to them and crush them as best you can ... not that they can be completely crushed ... They're probably a lot like cockroaches ... you can squish and poison the hell out of them but there are always a few eggs left and a handful that manage to scurry off into some hole to wait things out ... but realistically, I doubt that they really 'want' to face extermination.

That being said, there are some really bat shit crazy fanatics running around in the world ... and some with access to fairly large piles of cash. So who knows? As above, the fact that Hamas wants to differentiate and distance themselves from these guys is interesting. In addition to being on the other side of the ideological gulf of Islam, these guy make for some really bad PR ... particularly for the shitheads whose franchise is to portray themselves as victims ... makes for a very messy mixed message.

Lastly, anybody got any inkling of how Iran plans to play this locally? It makes perfect sense to sit and wait things out while somebody else tries to clean up the mess ... but given competence of the janitor involved, it had to be a bit worrisome. Having nukes makes for grand global theater ... but probably makes very little difference if you live next to a viciously suicidal neighbor. Just for a fun thought experiment, imagine the hi-jinx if it were somehow possible to migrate North Korea lock, stock and barrel into this region. Now THAT's what I'd call a party!! S24
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard."
-- Henry Mencken
Jack, I don't consider them coordinated terrorists attacks. I'm talking about the ones that are planned and executed with several terrorists attempting to exact the maximum amount of terror.

As for tutoring MacDaddy and crew, that's a total waste IMO. Of course, the military can officially state "I told you so" after the fact. If MacDaddy doesn't go down as the worst president in history, he will be the luckiest SOB in history. He's so G-d Damned Brilliant, he's just plain stupid.
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"INSIDE EVERY PROGRESSIVE IS A TOTALITARIAN SCREAMING TO GET OUT" - David Horowitz

Sorry to interrupt here, but I am going to have to close it and begin a Part 3 to it. Its just too big to effectively add, subtract, or do anything that requires loading up the entire thread.
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