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Religious Catch-All Thread Of Stray Posts
#61
Ron Wrote:The Moslem cavalries that invaded Europe used rifles like what we would call blunderbusses. The Moslems thus were the first to use gunpowder in war.
Do you have a link to document that? First time I read about it.
The reason I doubt it is that weapon tehcnology is very rapidely adopted by other armies.
Maybe it was a land version of the Greek Fire, which was, as you said, innefective. But it's anecdotical at best. And it's not clear if they threw projectiles or just flames.

JL Wrote:China seems to always get the credit for practically everything, from acupuncture to underarm deodorant. And yet,.....the oldest example of acupuncture was found on Ötzi, the iceman, discovered in the Alps.
But Otzi lost credit as a civilized man because he stunk by his lack of deodorant! S5

No, seriousely, you are right. I was reading in a book that a Chinese emperor had once a very sophisticated hydrolic clock. Something incredibly high tech for that time, and unseen anywhere else. A true marvel.
But nobody saw how measuring time so acurately could be useful.
They were unable to project technological prowesses into industrial use. For them new things were just for entertainement. Maybe because they were too respectful of traditional ways of production. And so was Mao.

I remeber a 18th C. chinese tapissery in a castle in Germany representing the work of paysants and craftsmen. It's a unique document because it's an original and shows all kinds of activities.
The tools and technologies represented were incredibly primitive for the 18th C. Almost prehistorical.
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#62
(04-22-2015, 07:10 PM)Fredledingue Wrote:
JL Wrote:China seems to always get the credit for practically everything, from acupuncture to underarm deodorant. And yet,.....the oldest example of acupuncture was found on Ötzi, the iceman, discovered in the Alps.
But Otzi lost credit as a civilized man because he stunk by his lack of deodorant! S5

I don't care what others say about you behind your back Fred, you're OK in my book. S22

One of the things that the Ancient Chinese were accredited in doing was to have the highest order of bureaucrats of any civilization. At the time I read this, years ago, I never really appreciated its significance. But since I have fully developed my Classic Liberal personality, I know exactly why they never seem to have been able to 'get lucky' with anything other than a highly sophisticated government.

Individual Liberty was more than a foreign alien concept. It was really nonexistent there. And it practically still is. Of course, if they find they need new technological "play pretties" they can always do what the do best: resort to theft. There's less effort involved, but they are always a couple of steps behind the leaders. S18
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#63
I think...... the problem with Ron and poeple like him.... is that they think that the more a text is ancient the less it can be disputed. That old textes must be revered as truth while new ones, the latest progress of science must be seen with suspicion.
That the more a wiseman lived a long time ago, the more he knew about everything including scientific matters.
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#64
No Fred, the reason why some ancient manuscripts are regarded as having great authority is because the authors were known to be truly inspired by God. Most of the apostles walked with Jesus and were taught personally by Him. Paul saw Jesus in vision, and was taught by revelation and by other Christians who knew God's Word and had an experience with Jesus. Luke clearly interviewed the people who knew Jesus, including his mother (see Luke 2:51). The legitimacy of all the Scripture is attested to by the perfect fulfillment of Bible prophecy, that outlines human history up to the present and beyond.

Most Seventh-day Adventists believe that Ellen G. White was a true prophet of God. She died in 1915. So her words do not even need to be translated for us English-speakers. But we still hold the Bible has more authority than her writings. She herself testified that her prophetic calling was given to her because too many people were not sufficiently sound in their study of the Bible, and as she put it "The Lord has given a lesser light to lead men and women back to the greater light [of the Bible]." Throughout her writings, she quotes the Bible profusely as authority for everything she teaches. She was inspired mainly to give counsels. The writers of the Bible were inspired to provide the foundations for our faith.

Even Jesus, when He met with the two disciples on the road to Emaus, following His Resurrection, did not show them His nail-scarred hands and proclaim, look, it's Me, I've risen from the dead!" Instead, we are told the disciples' eyes were prevented from recognizing Him, "And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself." (Luke 24:27; NKJV)
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#65
Ron, you are misconstruing the phrase "inspired by G-d" to mean exactly what you envision in the scriptures. Its as though G-d was using dictation directly to his little stenographers here on earth. That's not divine inspiration. Its divine rote.

My reasoning tells me that divine inspiration would be to take a historical event, such as the destruction of two towns on the Dead Sea and plug in divine inspiration, making that actual event into a moral tale, and having it come out as "Sodom and Gomorrah".

But clearly I am not going to get you to see things that way, so I no longer try. I also know that it is much easier to go with rote than ones imagination.
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#66
Ron, today with the internet I'm sure that there are thousands of poeple "inspired by God" to read with wonderful messages for humanity. Messages much more advanced, because adapted to our times, than those of the prophets, apostoles and other disciples.

Yet nobody reads them. We still read 3000 years old textes.
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#67
Some people still operate on ancient BC principles in India:

http://www.naharnet.com/stories/en/18044...-sacrifice
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#68
They are still arboring this ugly cross? Gah
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