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Coming Soon to a Wooded Area New You(Islamic Arson?)
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Quote:Al-Qaeda blamed for Europe-wide forest fires

Al-Qaeda has been blamed for a recent series of forest fires across Europe, as the head of Russia's Federal Security Service claimed they were set by arsonists as part of the group's low-cost attack strategy.

"One should note that setting fires to forests in the countries of the European Union is a new tendency in al-Qaeda's strategy of a 'thousand cuts'," Alexander Bortnikov said, according to state news agency RIA Novosti, at a meeting of heads of security agencies.
"This method allows (al-Qaeda) to inflict significant economic and moral damage without serious preliminary preparations, technical equipment or significant expenses."
In linking al-Qaeda to the deadly wildfires, Mr Bortnikov pointed to calls to launch a "forest jihad" by various extremist websites which he said also publish detailed instructions about how and where to best carry out arson.
He said it was very difficult for special services to find and prosecute such arsonists.
Deadly fires have swept through forest land in EU countries such as Portugal and Spain over the past few months, killing scores of people and forcing thousands to evacuate.

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#2
sabotage is the best way to slowly wear down the enemy. And it doesn't have to be huge, just persistent.

But there is one big advantage to doing this in Euroland, over the US, or Canada. Both countries are large, and surveillance is easier. Saboteurs can slip from one country to the other easily, and evade law enforcement better.

And too, there is a much larger population of Islamo-Kook sympathizers in Euroland. Finding shelter, and keeping secrets are more dependable there. AND, Islamo-Kooks can get into Europe easier than the North American continent. That's why I posit that the first victim of nuclear terrorism will probably be another Middle East country first, followed closely by a city in Europe. Rome the most likely target, followed by Paris.
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#3
We've always known that terrorists were stupid, because the easiest terrorist attacks were never tried. Setting forest fires is one of the three, and I'm sorry that the idea has hit the media. Hopefully the other two will avoid their notice.
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#4
I remember mentioning a long time ago that the terrorists, if they really wanted to cause the most damage to the US, and do it fairly easily, would have been for them to rent/buy a Cessna, fill it with explosives, and then fly it into the Hoover Dam, or another one in that chain, that subdues the Colorado River.

Knocking out one of these dams would most likely lead to the collapse of dams further down stream, causing the entire Southwest to lose power, and most importantly its water supply for agriculture and subsistence. That would have been the worst thing they could have done, dollar wise IMO.

But obviously they didn't think of it.
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#5
About thirty years ago someone told me that many forest fires in Canada are started by native Indians looking to get hired to help put the fire out. I spend three days fighting forest fires in 1965, it is really dangerous work.
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#6
Don't give them any ideas. That one's not one of the three, because a Cessna full of dynamite would probably not destroy the dam, but it leads in the right direction.
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(10-03-2012, 07:15 PM)WmLambert Wrote: Don't give them any ideas. That one's not one of the three, because a Cessna full of dynamite would probably not destroy the dam, but it leads in the right direction.

Doing a lot with very little is always possible Bill, if you are an explosives expert.

Ever heard of a 'shaped charge' before? And do you think it only works if it is in an artillery shell?

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The point is that terrorists are stupid, and the bad things are simple. Don't flatter them with the brains necessary to do expert things. They learned how to make IEDs which are shaped explosives, but never learned the sophisticated strategy to use them for more than cherry bombs.
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(10-03-2012, 07:56 PM)WmLambert Wrote: The point is that terrorists are stupid, and the bad things are simple. Don't flatter them with the brains necessary to do expert things. They learned how to make IEDs which are shaped explosives, but never learned the sophisticated strategy to use them for more than cherry bombs.


A match in a tinder box doesn't strike me as a very "sophisticated strategy" ... not super genius ... but effective if you're trying to destroy stuff. The one in Colo. Springs destroyed hundreds of homes ... hundreds of million$ in damage ... along with fatalities ... and it remains unsolved. Doesn't quite jive with a 'terror' strategy per se if nobody claims it, but on the other hand it did a heap of damage ... presumably on the cheap.

Quote:“There is reason to believe the U.S. is under attack and the bad guys are waging fire wars right now,” said Colorado Springs resident William Scott, a former editor of Aviation Week & Space Technology.


Frankly al Qaeda doesn't scare me half as much as the local village idiot taking the idea and running with it. S4
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#10
Our government scares me way more than al qaeda, Russia, China, atheists, Iran and AIDS.
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(10-03-2012, 11:01 PM)Palladin Wrote: Our government scares me way more than al qaeda, Russia, China, atheists, Iran and AIDS.

Consider Hanlon's razor for just a moment and let me know if it provides any solice.
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Hanlon's Law also affects al Qaeda, Russia, China, atheists, and Iran. All organizations are made up of people who have the same instincts and foibles. Our Founders worked long and hard to learn from Hobbes, Locke, and de Montesquieu. The first thing they discovered was the success of American colonies that followed property rights over collectivism. They also studied why the European template always failed. What they came up with were rules to help put brakes on government going crazy. If we can keep the Constitution from being ignored, we have a chance at getting it right.

I don't think Hanlon affects AIDS overmuch, but it is scarier for some people than for others.
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(10-04-2012, 09:05 PM)WmLambert Wrote: Hanlon's Law also affects al Qaeda, Russia, China, atheists, and Iran. All organizations are made up of people who have the same instincts and foibles. Our Founders worked long and hard to learn from Hobbes, Locke, and de Montesquieu. The first thing they discovered was the success of American colonies that followed property rights over collectivism. They also studied why the European template always failed. What they came up with were rules to help put brakes on government going crazy. If we can keep the Constitution from being ignored, we have a chance at getting it right

I don't think Hanlon affects AIDS overmuch, but it is scarier for some people than for others.

I'll cede aethiests and give benefit of doubt ... but the rest?

Al Queda ... beheadings and strapping pink mist vests to young boys? Malice
Russia ... foreign executions using toxic radioactive isotopes? Malice
China ... deliberately squishing protesters? Malice
Iran ... public stoning and basically a Shia version Al Queda BS? Malice
Village Idiot arsonist running around creating widespread havoc, death and destruction ... Malice

Self immolation seems like a pretty stupid philosophy ... but I'm sorry, when you start taking others with you, ... malice

I was applying Hanlon to Palladin's opinion of our own government ... which I don't particularly view as all that exclusively and deliberately malicious ... but they don't act all that bright much of the time either now do they?
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Malice is when a person does something to hurt another - but in these cases, they use rationalizations drawn from stupidity and mental incompetence. De Facto malice but built on stupidity. If that isn't incompetence, then what is? ...But I can't deny the malice.
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#15
Yak,

I share your view of our governors. I think they think they are doing the best things they can.

I also think Adolf Hitler felt the same way. He really believed eliminating all those victims of his was best for society.

In fact, I think almost all humans I know of think this way. It is rare when a person does evil and thinks it is evil, IMO. Rapists and sadists, those types.

I personally have no doubt POTUS Obama's decisions as far as he thinks are for the best, even when he gives our cash to his cronies, humans are real good at rationalization.

This "good intention" often is the cause of problems though, road to hell and all that.
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#16
Agree 100%, Palladin.

But, moreover - terrorists are largely stupid. For some reason, they always have a craving to document their depravity. It is rare that a terrorist cell is taken down without copious diaries that tell all. It is telling that they need attention. They must have legacies, and that is a large part of their M.O.
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