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Afghanistan War Is Unwinnable
#1
Debka

This panic seems triggered by losses of about twenty invaders in the last few days.
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#2
Invaders! You must be referring to the Ragheads that invaded the airspace over New York City.
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#3
Yeah yeah yeah. Keep telling yourself that. We've been hearing the nay-saying for years and yet they still get weaker all the time. Recent events in Pakistan have shown nobody wants the Taliban. Not Afghans. Not Pakistan. Nobody. Finally faced with this ultimate proof that they aren't the 'poor native farmer freedom fighters' people like you have been yakking on about for years you still can't admit it and you still post stories that don't remotely back up those notions and then sit there with a breathless 'told you so'. No one's listening any longer. The tide has been turning for the past 3 years and you keep telling yourself 'it'll end any minute now....any time now they'll pull out'....lol. It's a little pathetic actually. But not too pathetic to not still be funny. There is no choice left. NATO pulls out now they'll just be back in 3-4 years. They know it that's why you can post 1000 of these articles and it won't change the bottom line.



They're the invaders wherever they go. Nobody's going anywhere except them. Just last week they were begging for peace talks. Or don't you read anything that doesn't conform with your own delusional notions?

Anyways good luck with that. Hope you don't take it too hard when you finally have nothing left to keep you going.
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WarBicycle Wrote:Invaders! You must be referring to the Ragheads that invaded the airspace over New York City.

Quote:An invasion is a military action of soldiers entering a foreign land. An invader is an individual, nation, or other entity participating in such an action.

Source: Wikipedia.

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#5
Yes well considering Taliban were created in Pakistan and most of them today are Pakis and considering they never got anywhere in Afghanistan pre-2000 without Pak Army and intel support then Taliban as Afghan invader is a prime definition.

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But then you'd know that if you knew anything about it at all.
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#6
The Brits should be watched carefully now, they may fold. In fact, Liberal Democrats effectively folded:

Nick Clegg urges government to rethink Afghanistan mission

Related comments from The Scotsman:

Senseless deaths in an unwinnable war being fought for no purpose

If the Brits fold, this will make the Afghan invasion effectively a US-only game.
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I say get out of Afghanistan and it is not winnable. Our Politicians will see to that. This is a Political War now. No fire zones. No Fire Policy when civilians are involved. (They still have not defined 'civilian.)
Fight just don't shoot. Read the damn news stories. It's there. Just like RVN. Politicians are using Soldiers as Pawn in their Political Wars.
Screw all the Patriotic Mumbo Jumbo. Been there done that. Why does anyone want to continue sacrificing the Soldiers for Political desires and machinations?
Time to get out. Not because we cannot win it. We can. But because the Politicians cannot win it we need to stop now. Do not sacrifice any more lives to Dodd,'The Muslim', Karzai, Kerry, Pelosi, Ried, or the rest of those who did nothing but denigrate our Troops all through the campaign and are now demanding they die so that they can say. Look we've improved we are not killing civilians.
Just US Soldiers..
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eaglestrikes Wrote:I say get out of Afghanistan and it is not winnable... Not because we cannot win it. We can...
mumbo jumbo mumbo jumbo.
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#9
Of course it is winnable - but the definition of what acceptable losses are still remains corrupted by pols and a sycophantic media. The "losses" are less than drive-by shootings by gangs in the US Democrat cities.
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#10
As a matter of fact, cutting your losses was part ten of Machiavelli's plans for government.
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#11
Winnable,yes,winnable with the logic of the western mentality of 2009? Not IMO.

Our COIN tactics in Iraq worked pretty well once implemented properly.

Iraq is a modern nation with a geographic nationalism notwithstanding internal divisions. Afghanistan has neither. Iraq is fairly well educated,Afghanistan isn't.

That doesn't mean the folks want Taliban,but,IMO,what it does mean is the Taliban is the only deadly force out there that is ruthless enough to have their way once we leave. We will leave.

Why in 2009 AD does anyone think the Americans,Brits,Canadians,Dutch and others will have the patience to hang in there for 25 more years? That's the minimum the Japanese predict it would take to have success because these people really have no unifying anything,except dialect among tribes and supposedly Islam but crime sure is rampant so how much affinity they really have for Islam is questionable.
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#12
Twisting words here.....

It is winnable, if winning a war becomes the priority, as it used to be in simpler times.

But when winning is just on of the goals, buried in the pile of things like public opinion, budgets, ability of upper- and mid- level administrators to pillage enough etc etc...why bother. In an environment of today, losing this and any other war may be seen as the preferred outcome, since it would lead to a change of the system.
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quadrat Wrote:
eaglestrikes Wrote:I say get out of Afghanistan and it is not winnable... Not because we cannot win it. We can...
mumbo jumbo mumbo jumbo.
You're nattering. Natter alert.
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WmLambert Wrote:Of course it is winnable - but the definition of what acceptable losses are still remains corrupted by pols and a sycophantic media. The "losses" are less than drive-by shootings by gangs in the US Democrat cities.
Winnable is a definition in waiting.
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quadrat Wrote:As a matter of fact, cutting your losses was part ten of Machiavelli's plans for government.
Good Grenzer. Nothing to add, so add nothing.
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#16
It's winnable if you take the means to win.
So far we can't even speak of a war. Only a few troops randomly patrolling a huge area, stumbling on roadside bomb from time to time.

Liam Fox, defense spokesman for the opposition Conservative party - UK Wrote:The government must explain why our armed forces are having to do so much with so little....

(Britain does not reveal the number of helicopters in operation for security reasons, but there are fewer than 10 British Chinooks in Afghanistan)
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We have put (our troops) on the ground in very, very difficult circumstances, but ... without the necessary material support, insufficient numbers of troops, insufficient equipment, with no political strategy on the ground to speak of

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#17
Stratfor's Freebie (a bit less panicky than some of the recent articles...but still[/url].
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#18
We won't really know if the Afghanistan war is unwinnable until Harry Reid announces it. Then we will know it can be won.
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The difference between Obama and Nixon is that Obama has lived in a muslim country and is closer, albeit still far off, to the Afghan/asian mentality and understand better the situation.

Bush didn't get it at all. Obama quickely terminated Iraq to concentrate on the real threat of this century.
The taliban are not choirboys, they are not merely a different political block (like the commies in the 60's), they are a potentialy expanding fanatic force of death and oppression.
If we don't want to find half of the muslim world talibanized in 20 years, we must kill them now.

The goal is not al-Qaida anmore but Stratfor failed to point out the other and no less important goal that appeared.
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WmLambert Wrote:We won't really know if the Afghanistan war is unwinnable until Harry Reid announces it. Then we will know it can be won.
Now that's a point. :lol:
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