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Afghanistan War Is Unwinnable
#41
Ahkenaten Wrote:You can all leave Afghanistan.

But you'll all be going back.
Not under the present circumstances.
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#42
quadrat Wrote:Why don't you stick to speech practice of Latin because your peabrain does not provide for more, teacher? misera - miserae - miserae - miseram - miserae - miserā. They are sturdy conservatives who want nothing but to rule their own valley, and they have no means to hold anything bigger together. Leave them alone, and they leave you alone.
You got popped Grenzer. Same thing I have said. You prattle and you always state that which is either inane or of no use.
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#43
Quadrat, a.k.a. WhyDoIBother? Wrote:Leave them alone, and they leave you alone.

The Taliban or Muslims? If you mean Muslims then I'd agree. If you'd say Taliban, then I disagree....Along with the vast majority of Pakistan (- to whom you may direct your reply should you disagree on that point -), who have recently been burnt and to whom the Taliban have gone from hero to zero.

If you tell me that the Taliban and Muslims are inseparate then you go against your previous, "99% of Muslims" ramble, which would be no surprise at this point.
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#44
Pakistani officials have told the Obama administration that the Marines fighting the Taliban in southern Afghanistan will force militants across the border into Pakistan, with the potential to further inflame the troubled province of Baluchistan, according to Pakistani intelligence officials.

What a bunch of wimps. They still think that India will attack, so they are reluctant to pull troops off the India-Pakistan border. They think they can "negotiate" with the Taliban at some point, not having learned their lesson the last time they tried that.

Or, is this threat just a bargaining chip to squeeze more $ out of the US, while the dollar will still buy something?
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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#45
Not to menton this has been the case continually. They get pushed back and forth over the border. The should relish the opportunity to kill as many as possible. The fact that Pakistan has pushed them into Afghanistan at times is proof they are doing what they need to be doing. The reverse is true: the fact that they are continually being pushed from afghanistan into Pakistan is proof NATO is doing what it needs to.
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#46
eaglestrikes Wrote:
Ahkenaten Wrote:You can all leave Afghanistan.

But you'll all be going back.
Not under the present circumstances.

I think you need to make a distinction between Afghanistan and Pakistan. We may strike Pakistan, but Afghanistan we are done with.
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#47
In many of the ways that count, imo, there is no distinction. It's really neither country. It's the Cult. It resides in either. Afghanistan is their target. Their schools and main recruitment is Pakistan.
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#48
So many Afghanistan threads to choose from, so I chose this one by chance.

Remember how Obama promised to get us out of Afghanistan immediately? You would think he would be able to keep this campaign promise, even if he has trouble keeping others.

Well think again: US troops may stay in Afghanistan until 2024. I have to tell you that I find this almost beyond fiction. Am I making too much of this? And is Obama that politically inept?
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#49
LMAO. Almost as good as the enviro-sensitive alien hostiles.... S6

But what the boy is doing is fair. We are leaving 10k hostages for the Iranians in Iraq, let's leave another 10k in Afghanistan.
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#50
You know what, you'd think the Boy Wonder would have learned from the Soviets, the Brits, and lately Junior, that being successful in Afghanistan is never, ever, going to occur.

The lesson for everyone is to just go in, kick ass, take names, and then make threats/promises of what will happen again if they cause trouble outside their borders,...................and then leave them to stew in their own juices. Just Common Sense 101 IMO. Hey, even I have learned this already. S1
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#51
Ahk,

I don't see either state as more significant to us than any other Islamic state. They all have their radicals, they could as easily plan and execute attacks right here in the USA or Canada as they can in Pakistan and with some luck, be invulnerable to justice.

Our role as the global ruler is why we have these problems, if Brazil or China tries to rule the earth, they would be the major targets of the Islamic radical. The sooner the better from my perspective, I think the USA would be safer and freer if we forgot about emulating Rome under Augustus myself.
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#52
(08-20-2011, 06:35 AM)John L Wrote: The lesson for everyone is to just go in....

Actually, "going in" already was wrong, not that any of us realized it at the time.

The correct response was to bomb and and to arm the opposition... And instead of helping to rebuild, warn the new government that they can be bombed any time they misbehave.

And instead of investing in this black hole, invest into bioweapons research, this is how the Afghan problem can be solved. S6
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#53
Obama is successful in Afghanistan: Today the British Coucil was attacked: 8 Afghan police officers died for one (1) NATO (unidentifed) soldier.

Before Obama all casualities would be US.

Oabam is fighting the smart way in Afghanistan.
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#54
John, if that article is to be believed, then BHO et al must have succumbed to the "US is a global power" bug (by wanting to keep an air base and other presence in Afghanistan), quite the opposite of what they have been preaching.

Will we get an air base in Libya?
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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#55
(08-20-2011, 05:15 PM)jt Wrote: John, if that article is to be believed, then BHO et al must have succumbed to the "US is a global power" bug (by wanting to keep an air base and other presence in Afghanistan), quite the opposite of what they have been preaching.

Will we get an air base in Libya?

Remember Ted, when Jackasses are not in charge, they 'hate' military interventionism. But when they assume the same power, they suddenly acquire the right to carry on, or escalate the issue, because they are righteous, and above their opponents.

As for a base in Libya, I cannot answer that one. If the Libyans are smart they will not take the bait.
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#56
Better a gradual retreat of troops, than a sudden exit.
Let's do the best that can be done with the more reasonable resources as possible.
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#57
John, I think the US may be hard put to have much influence in Libya, let alone acquire an air base there. For example, the WSJ said today that Qatar had funded the rebels extensively, and was in high regard by them.

It has come out that the US spent $900M on the Libyan war, but what is not known is how much the rebels appreciated this and how much the US helped them on the ground (advisors, etc.). Perhaps the $900M was spent mostly on air strikes and cruise missiles and so was not a tangible influential benefit. It is also not known how much the rebels disrespect the US dithering in its support. We will have to wait and see.

The rebels will experience a buyers market with the many countries rushing in to enlist their allegiance.

Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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#58
Let's turn it into a glass parking lot for the cost of a few rotting ICBMs and save us a few bajillion dollars. They'd probably thank us for it later.
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#59
The US bombed Lybian forces from afar at sea, during 3 days, six months ago. This with warships already permanently in the Mediterranean anyway.

I doubt Lybian rebels still remember that Obama did something for them.

How the US spent $900 M is a more difficult question. But with the speed spending goes in the US nothing is surprising.
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(08-27-2011, 09:13 AM)Fredledingue Wrote: I doubt Lybian rebels still remember that Obama did something for them.

How the US spent $900 M is a more difficult question. But with the speed spending goes in the US nothing is surprising.

Agree on both counts.

Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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