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Breaking Up Syria
#41
(01-04-2016, 11:38 AM)Palladin Wrote: That's who Turkey hates in Syria worst, the YPG. I don't think they have the numbers to control a large enough area. It's good they are helping out any effort against expanding Saudi Arabia into Syria.

Somehow I thought it was the PKK.
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#42
Turkey hates all Kurdish nationalism. At some point they all are Kurds and if any get independence, that is a bad day for the Turks.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33675760

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34645462
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#43
(01-04-2016, 05:38 PM)Palladin Wrote: Turkey hates all Kurdish nationalism. At some point they all are Kurds and if any get independence, that is a bad day for the Turks.

But that's not what you said. You said,

Palladin earlier Wrote:That's who Turkey hates in Syria worst, the YPG.
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The YPG has never made any nationalist claims, while the PKK has been fighting Turkey for decades now over just that. I know the YPG is loosely affiliated with the PKK, but only in a loose sense. Turkey has no reason to be firing on them, other than to create havoc.
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#44
First official visit by an US diplomat to Kurdistan. Was about time...
reuters Wrote:may anger neighboring Turkey
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#45
(02-01-2016, 03:46 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: First official visit by an US diplomat to Kurdistan. Was about time...
reuters Wrote:may anger neighboring Turkey

I'm surprised that MacDaddy actually allowed for this. After all both he, and Erdogan, have been having such wonderful political sex with each other, they are practically joined at the hips. S18
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#46
Sometimes summarized reports look idiotic...
reuters Wrote:WASHINGTON/BEIRUT The United States and Russia announced plans for a 'cessation of hostilities' in Syria that would take effect on Saturday but exclude groups such as Islamic State and al Qaeda's Nusra Front, a loophole that Syrian rebels immediately highlighted as a problem

Of course the Syrian rebels mentioned are the moderate US-backed ones. But here comes the moment of truth. We would never make a truce with Islamic State and al Qaeda, but our dear little moderate rebels would. {?}

reuters Wrote:Presidents Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin discussed the accord by phone

This is a truce between the US and Russia. Not among muslim tribes who will continue fighting there anyway, no matter what happens.
No mention even of Turkey, S-A, Iran, Iraq and Jordan. The only other asked for an opion was Israel.
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#47
Until the revolutionaries are ready to quit, there is going to be no truce to speak of obviously.

If the western powers would stay out of the Syrian war, it would be over in 2 months, but, that is not what western powers want and how many dead means nothing to the minds of the robots that run our nations.

The US, Turkey and SA are the worst violators and the Europeans are paying for it with your new Islamic visitors. Not exactly a just end, but, a realistic end.
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#48
Palladin, do you include Turkey and S-A in the Western Powers category?

If not, then I agree with you: The war, not only in Syria but in Lybia too and in many other muslim countries would be over in two months. ...And all these countries would be ruled by IS, with S-A and Erdogan reaping the dividends.
Sort of like Afghanistan enjoyed peace and stability before the 2002 invasion.

The sunnis could even made a truce with the shiites by for example, allocating Lebanon to Iran (Hezbullah) while leaving Bahrein and Yemen under sunni-wahhabit control. With some clashes here and there of course, but no more total wars.
This at least until another event independant from the West reinflame the jihad wars.

For some reasons, the West doesn't want neither IS or Iran to rule over a geographic space as large as Europe.

I'm not sure of what's wrong and what's right myself. of course this war is a tragedy, but isn't it better than having IS and Iran as new superpowers, knowing what they are able to do against each others and against us?
I won't trust such a world. They would start a war one day or another later, that's certain.
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#49
Fred,

Yes, they are not culturally like us, but, both are tied into the western power structure, so yes.

Don't over think foreign policy, it's always easy. What is best for a state is what they want. A good foreign policy is getting what you want.

What does the west want? Stability, control, access. That's what everyone wants, Fred.

In this region, we all want the USA having the final say in the gulf,not Iran, Iraq or anyone else.

It just so happens that our allies there are Sunni Muslims. Not by choice, by historic stuff. So, we oppose the hegemony of the shiites since most the Sunnis are part of our empire.

The western states don't care if there is a holocaust of Christians and Yazidis and Alawites, they want control. That's nothing to the atheists that operate our nations.

Forget any moral thinking, all foreign affairs is about is winning. Hell, Russia has a more moral view than we do, we target Russian cities with our nukes and they target our nukes. Due to their own history, Russia is way less likely to arm jihadists than a boneheaded group like the USA is.

Here's the latest from cold warrior central about Russia. I for one approve of Russia's moves in Syria and Armenia and wish them well in those endeavors. If Turkey wants a fight with Russia, they can do it by themselves from my perspective:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/201...3275d23549
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#50
Looks like I am not alone thinking the jig is up with Turkey.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stanley-we...ml?ref=yfp
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#51
I cannot find anything in the article I can disagree with. Erdogan is a pariah, and he and Putin deserve each other. Let them go at it.

I have not changed my opinion about the need for a Kurdistan.

Quote:The Turkish government has tried to lay blame for recent bombings in Ankara at the feet of the YPG in an attempt to sway the U.S. to oppose the Kurds. An exasperated Erdogan railed about the loyalties of the West, accused the U.S. of creating a "sea of blood" in the region by supporting the Kurds, and issued an ultimatum: he demanded that the time had come for America to choose between Turkey and the Kurds.

I couldn't agree more: the time has come for the U.S. to choose the Kurds over Erdogan's Turkey.

Critics argue that the Kurds are unwilling to take the fight to ISIS beyond their borders, but this actually presents the U.S. with an opportunity. In exchange for fighting ISIS throughout the region, an international coalition can offer the Kurds their own state. A Kurdish state would become a critical regional ally for the US and play an invaluable role in filling the power vacuum that has emerged in the Middle East. With the help of the U.S., a Kurdish state could also help to accommodate Syrian refugees that have overwhelmed immigration systems in Turkey and Europe. In the long term, it would serve as a valuable regional partner to stabilize the region, and it would set a strong example of successful democracy. In other words, Kurdistan could play the role that Turkey used to play.
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#52
The chance any YPG operative did that is less than 0% and it was as predictable as the sun shining they would pin it on them. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Turks had someone park the car bomb there to have a cause celeb deal.

The only reason Turkey is invulnerable from NATO disgust is because folks who run the USA security apparatus still love NATO and Russia is the eternal enemy. Everyone else is small potatos.

If Russia wasn't everyone's bogeyman, we'd work with them against Turks and Sunni jihadists.
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#53
Maybe this will become a trend?

http://aranews.net/2016/02/dozens-of-isi...orth-iraq/
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#54
With the cash caches destroyed, their pays have been cut in half. That's not good for fighters' loyalty.
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#55
U.S. builds two air bases in Kurdish-controlled north Syria

This is game changing because the US is not reliant on Turkey and Qatar exclusively.
Erdogan must be mad at the US and that's a good thing.
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#56
I think we'll use that to assist the anti Assad crowd, it is not an anti Turk move, IMO. The USA is not against ISIS as a general statement, we're just against it when it gets out from under our control.

We're not going to change our spots, Fred. The USA is determined to remain the global hegemon, we will not accept challenges to that role in the mid east and the Sunni jihad is opposed first and foremost to the same enemy the USA has there, Shiite Islam led by Iran.

That's all we're about, power. If the Sunni opposed us, we'd be arming Shiite jihadists to murder them.

My desire is we don't arm anyone and we mind our business over here,but, that's as likely as my ass getting pretty.
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#57
(03-06-2016, 06:57 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: U.S. builds two air bases in Kurdish-controlled north Syria

This is game changing because the US is not reliant on Turkey and Qatar exclusively.
Erdogan must be mad at the US and that's a good thing.

Fred, the Rmeilan air base at the upper edge of Syria makes sense, because it is in established Syrian Kurdistan. It makes great strategic sense. It took me a while to find it on the Google maps, but you can see it right here. And its in the middle of nowhere.

As for the other one, which is to the south and along the Nahr al Khabur River, is also in the Hashakah Province, which may well be part of Syrian Kurdistan. Not sure, but it is strategically placed between two main highways and another road.

Controlling that river is the key here, as well as the east banks of the Euphrates.
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#58
noterror.eu
Interresting website on ISIS (Daesh). No ideological hubbub. (Most of it we already know but it confirms what we have been saying all that time.)
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#59
Yea, it's a reasonable site, but, no one here but you and I would agree. This is the opposite of western lies.

Saudi Arabia, our soldiers would kill and die for Saudi Arabia and it's the purveyor of a version of Islam that ISIS is comfortable with and they are loyal USA allies.

That ought to make all of us vomit.
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(03-08-2016, 06:53 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: noterror.eu
Interresting website on ISIS (Daesh). No ideological hubbub. (Most of it we already know but it confirms what we have been saying all that time.)

Very good site Fred. I have it bookmarked. S22
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