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Muslim Brotherhood Ready to Take Over
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Expect the usual: Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood Nominates President Candidate.

Quote:Egyptian military judges dropped convictions against Muslim Brotherhood presidential candidate Khairat el-Shater, clearing the nominee of the nation’s dominant political party to run in the election, the group’s lawyer said.

“We have taken administrative, legal and judicial measures before the military judiciary and based on this, all convictions have been dropped,” Abdel Monem Abdel Maqsoud said in a phone interview in Cairo yesterday. “All legal obstacles have been removed, and el-Shater now has the right to fully exercise all his political rights,” he said.

Bear in mind that the Muslim Brotherhood is another 'Islamic Socialist' group, and when Collectivists gain power, a country goes through similar steps. First comes the utopian joy of changing the system to their idea of how the world is supposed to work. And once this does not pan out, the second step is to find a scapegoat. My best guess is that the easiest scapegoat is going to be the Coptic Christians, because they are defenseless and just ten percent of the population. I suspect they will bear the brunt of the persecution.

But that too will not work on making things better for the poor in Egypt. After all the most pressing issue is finding enough food to keep everyone from starving to death. Coptics will probably have their food rations cut back, and they will become the subject of blame. And once that fails to work, as it most certainly will, there are Jooos across the border in Israel, who are really the root of all problems. And like the Nazis, and Stalinists, it is easy to fabricate a plot between Coptics and Joooos, and make it look like they are plotting to over throw the benevolent, peace loving, Socialist Brotherhood.

That will most likely be next. And eventually I suspect a good war to keep the masses' juices stirred up. And perhaps Egypt just may get the horse to sing. But most likely they will have their asses handed to them on a platter, and then will come the Real Fred Astaire routine.

And that is where it is worth getting out the beer and popcorn. Because this is going to be interesting indeed. Who cares about all the thousands of innocent lives wasted, right? With them gone, there are less people to feed in the utopian state of Socialist Egypt.
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#2
Ok, but where were your complaints when the Brotherhood was the scapegoat in Mubarak's stalinism? Why do we love the Coptic Christians?

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They might want to cut back more than food rations. No idea who the gentleman on the pic is, but he looks like an expensive Ayatollah Khomeney. That sort of pomp is excessive in an otherwise poor country, and Brotherhoodies don't look like that.
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(04-01-2012, 08:27 PM)quadrat Wrote: Ok, but where were your complaints when the Brotherhood was the scapegoat in Mubarak's stalinism? Why do we love the Coptic Christians?

Why are you asking me? "Mubarak's Stalinism"? Where did you come up with all that tripe?

As for loving the Coptics, I don't love any of them other than as human beings. However, anyone who is persecuted for no real reason, should deserve some sympathy. I know this does not include you, but I am thinking of the rest of the world. S5

Quote:They might want to cut back more than food rations. No idea who the gentleman on the pic is, but he looks like an expensive Ayatollah Khomeney. That sort of pomp is excessive in an otherwise poor country, and Brotherhoodies don't look like that.

If Spengler is anywhere near correct in his assessments, feeding the populous is going to be THE Major problem here. And no amount of Collectivist 'pie in the sky' utopianism is going to magically make food appear, without a sound economy, OR some foreign Sugar Daddy.

As for his raiment, my guess is that they are from a much earlier date, passed down from bishop to bishop(or whatever their title is). Anyway, that will be their concern, neither yours nor mine.

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#4
The situation in Egypt at the moment even though there are some good things happening along with plenty of bad. Many average Egyptians basically want a government that takes care of them so they won't have to think or work for themselves. The Islamists offered that kind of like the Marxists offered with their communist utopia. On the positive side, however, it seems that quite a few Egyptians who were singing the praises for the Muslim Brotherhood a few months ago are now shouting in their condemnation of them. While I like to hear that, at least some of it is the very short attention span and low levels of patience that is common in Egypt. They gave the Islamists their 2 months and there are still no falafels (supersize please) and ful madames for breakfast so they are shouting for the next group to try their hand. In the end that is not going to happen but there will always be another group out there to promise they can deliver. In the end some left or right wing dictator is going to have to come along and use a heavy boot to put the people to work and tell them 'no work, no falafel'.
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(04-01-2012, 08:27 PM)quadrat Wrote: Ok, but where were your complaints when the Brotherhood was the scapegoat in Mubarak's stalinism? Why do we love the Coptic Christians?

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They might want to cut back more than food rations. No idea who the gentleman on the pic is, but he looks like an expensive Ayatollah Khomeney. That sort of pomp is excessive in an otherwise poor country, and Brotherhoodies don't look like that.

The pictured individual is the late Patriarch of Alexandria, Shenouda III, who died just this past month (+obit 17 March 2012). As to the purportedly "expensive" garb, the historical vestments are all made by the monks and nuns of the patriarchate and certainly not "bought" on the open market. Really, Q if you are going to get all hot-and-bothered on the subject of wealth at least discover the background. He was famous for this statement:

"From the Arabic national point we should not abandon our Palestinian brothers and our Arabic brothers by normalising our relations with the Jews...From the church point of view, Copts who go to Jerusalem betray their church in the case of "Al-Sultan Monastery" that Israel refuses to give to the Copts."

On his death the Muslim Brotherhood's Freedom and Justice Party issued many statements through its leadership, among them:

"I (Kamal el-Ganzouri) give my sincere condolences to the Coptic brothers home and abroad. [The Patriarch was a] national character and a symbol for patriotism and he gained wide respect and appreciation from the Egyptian people."


Of course, the Al-Nour Party (the Salafists) was not enchanted over these events and political hagiography--they walked out of the parliament over its call for a "moment of silence" in Shenouda's memory. It is there and not the Muslim Brotherhood you had best look for the "dangerous" element in purported Egyptian "democracy".
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#6
Yes, John, why do you assume already that kopts are going to be slaughtered by hungry muslim egyptians?
Poeple in general are looking up to the governement for safety, and as far as I watched egyptians are more focused on clashing against the governement than being followed by its propagand.

As Seif said, The Brotherhood won't be able to deliver on their promise or even on the basic needs. Then poeple will see that sharia law is not making manna falling from the sky.

IMO, arabs are intolerant against culture and religion, by western standard they are carpet-kissing fanatics on a large scale, they believe in crazy things and may stone to death a few persons or two once in a while for not following the religion-of-peace correctly,... but massive genocide is not part of their culture.
The only example of genocide is Saddam Hussein, and maybe Assad and Ghaddafy on a smaller scales, yet, all these genocides were directed against other muslims, and politicaly motivated.
I mean there is no idea in the muslim world, not even among the radicals, that anyone from another religion must either convert or die.
There is no such a thing today in any muslim country.
certainly not in Egypt.

We shouldn't mix act of terrorism, which are isolated facts, albeit occuring often, and a popular agreement for genocide or massive deportation of those who are different. That a bomb explode at a koptic church or in the middle of a group of shiite pilgrim doesn't mean the majority of the population aproves. To the contrary.
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Dragonzaga Wrote:As to the purportedly "expensive" garb, the historical vestments are all made by the monks and nuns of the patriarchate and certainly not "bought" on the open market.
You can also get one from China for $50 (+ import duties).

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fredle... Wrote:I mean there is no idea in the muslim world, not even among the radicals, that anyone from another religion must either convert or die.
There is no such a thing today in any muslim country.

As to your first point, it was not true in early Islam. Then, Jews and Christians were given some latitude, but subjected to dhimitude. Others converted or died.

As to your second, current Islamists just persecute or kill Christians and Jews on a regular basis, without even the courtesy of asking them to convert to Islam.
Jefferson: I place economy among the first and important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our choice between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of caring for them, they will be happy.
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#9
Do you have documentation to suport that, jt? Other that the well known al-Qaida affiliates and other terrorist groups not linked to any governement or any official school of Islam?
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#10
No shit, why would anyone want to *officially* be linked to AQ? That is like asking if someone is going to publicly and officially say they are MS13 or something.
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#11
There is a big difference between wanting to kill all christians and what the poeple in arab countries wish. They may not tolerate external signs of christianity but it's still far from wanting a genocide.
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(04-12-2012, 02:47 PM)Fredledingue Wrote: There is a big difference between wanting to kill all christians and what the poeple in arab countries wish. They may not tolerate external signs of christianity but it's still far from wanting a genocide.

Perhaps not everyone Fred, but I suspect a good percentage who do.

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#13
Obviously, he doesn't know Arabs that well.
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Quote:A DRAFT Egyptian law that would allow a husband to have sex with the corpse of his wife up to six hours after her death is being contested by a national woman's group, reports al Arabiya News.

The proposal, dubbed the 'Farewell Intercourse' law, is currently going through the majority Islamist parliament. Fighting it is the National Council for Women (NCW), which says the law "marginalises" and "undermines" the status of women in Egypt.

The group is also contesting another draft law that would permit a 14-year-old girl to marry. Currently the age limit is 16.

Read more: http://www.theweek.co.uk/middle-east/465...z1tChCDTwR

Hell yea for the Arab Spring and FREEDOM!
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#15
Yeah, that's really sick. That's a great way to become a laughing stock for the rest of the world.
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#16
It's already hard for me to hold on several hours with a woman young, alive and healthy, so 6 hours with a dead one, who wouldn't help me a little bit, that would be very difficult. S11

This draft is irrealistical IMO.

Moroccan cleric, Zamzami Abdul Bari Wrote:A woman should be entitled to the same privilege with her dead husband
Yeah, but you will admit it's not the same technicaly.
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(04-26-2012, 11:41 PM)John L Wrote: Yeah, that's really sick. That's a great way to become a laughing stock for the rest of the world.

Only 6 hours!, I think it should be at least 24 hours.

At first I could not believe the content of that article; I thought that was a sick joke, but looks like some Egyptians are serious about it.

I read a readers comment about this subject in a Turkish Newspaper, and I totally agree with his view-point.

Quote:"When a man looks at his death wife's body and gets enough sexual arousal to have sex with her, he ceases to belong to the human race".
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#18
Yeah, necrophilia must be a big deal there. I wonder if they also tell necrophilia jokes as well? Something like this perhaps?

Quote:A man was brought before the judge and charged with Necrophilia.
The judge said to the man, "In the 20 years on the bench, I've never heard such a disgusting, immoral thing. Just give me one good reason why I shouldn't lock you up and throw away the key!"

The man replied, "I'll give you THREE good reasons:
first of all, it's none of your damn business...
second of all, she was my wife...
and third of all, I didn't KNOW she was dead, she ALWAYS acted that way in bed!"
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Let's hope that it was brought forward by one or two guys in parliement who have necrophilic tendencies and want to make legal their excesses.
Then islamists found it cool, as it diminish women even more, down to the statu of thing, it erases the notion of sentimental love (love is only expressed through sex), that women's pleasure is taboo and shouldn't exist anyway etc.

It sounds disgusting (and it is) but for islamists it makes sens. Only shocking stances like that show that they are though guys, unafraid of things like death.
It fits their ideology 100%.

What else? Should it be precised that the law applies to the official husband also in case of honnor killing?

News Update: Saudi Closes its Embassy in Cairo.
It's not good to see the Muslim Bro gaining ground, but it's good to see arabs remains divided as usual.
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#20
The Egyptian Woman's Right Organisation President said: "Only over my dead body!"
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