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Non-Western Film
#21
"Hollywood mainstream" as genre-maker has been well-established notion for quite a long time as well as "national cinematograph", in which national ideas of movie-making, national heroes, national stuff is involved. The fact that the West invented cinema doesn't make the global cinema Western. Shoot-out every 5 minuties is purely Hollywood invention, so is " a flim must tell a story" thing which is often repeated in the circles. Co-productions like "Max Havelar" or "Voces Inocentes" blur the borders of national cinema but even the US have independant cinema.

And why does Levi-Strauss think the West is responsible for the whole world? Because "the adventure played out in the heart of the New World" ?
I think the term "non-Western" is not "anti-Western". It's just "anything else".

As for "High Moon", Hollywood classics is Hollywood classics. Like Época de Oro del Cine Mexicano is Época de Oro del Cine Mexicano. And Soviet classics is Soviet classics. Let's limit ourselves to the recent times, say, couple of decades.
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#22
I remember this Hong-Kong movie:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0491044
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparrow_(2008_film)
Distinct deflection from mainstream crime drama.
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#23
(01-15-2012, 07:50 PM)Green Wrote: "Hollywood mainstream" as genre-maker has been well-established notion for quite a long time as well as "national cinematograph", in which national ideas of movie-making, national heroes, national stuff is involved. The fact that the West invented cinema doesn't make the global cinema Western. Shoot-out every 5 minuties is purely Hollywood invention, so is " a flim must tell a story" thing which is often repeated in the circles. Co-productions like "Max Havelar" or "Voces Inocentes" blur the borders of national cinema but even the US have independant cinema.

And why does Levi-Strauss think the West is responsible for the whole world? Because "the adventure played out in the heart of the New World" ?
I think the term "non-Western" is not "anti-Western". It's just "anything else".

As for "High Moon", Hollywood classics is Hollywood classics. Like Época de Oro del Cine Mexicano is Época de Oro del Cine Mexicano. And Soviet classics is Soviet classics. Let's limit ourselves to the recent times, say, couple of decades.

If we limit ourselves to the last few decades that we are truly in the realm of "formula" and not creativity since what can one say of the recent past other than its been a rehash of what "brings in the box office cash"--with a heavy dose of advertising bull shit!

By the way, hope the referencing to the Cooper/Kelly classic was a typo.
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#24
I don't know much of the Hollywood of the 50s, I just repeat what others say. I didn't live then and there. I can only guess and trust.
If they say 'Classics', it's ok with me. Since I haven't watched 'High noon' so it's the same as 'High moon' to me. It was unintended typo. *L

I can agree that new genres haven't risen since the 90s. I see only a bunch of subgenres and a leap of cinema technology.
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#25
Gunnen, I don't know if you know this one



because it was made before you were born. From South Africa, probably the funniest and smartest slapstick movie ever. Apartheid can't have been this bad, the movie makes more fun of the ills of civilization than of the bushmen.
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#26
Its one of my favorite all time movies. I thought that female reporter was one of the most sexy women I ever saw in a long time.

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#27
This one must be good movie too. Shot by Akira Kurosawa in 1975 here in Far Eastern Siberia. It tells a story of a Gold (local hunter ethnicity) named Dersu Uzala and his friend, explorer of this place Vladimir Arsenyev. It must be not as great movie as Rashyomon or Seven samurai (I saw the movie in childhood and don't remember much) but "Dersu" has become kinda local brandname for many things.


Oh, it's Oscar-winner.

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#28
In re Nightwatch, Daywatch, etc: it seems that now there are English translations of all five novels,

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00BM...nthegut-21

Unlike the movies, the books are quite good.
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#29
Utomlennye solntsem
Das Leben der Anderen

Not quite non-Western, but interesting.

BTW, I just started watching Miami Vice. Quite brilliant.
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#30
Actually, if anyone wants to give it a try, there seem to be translations of Nightwatch and sequels online:

Nightwatch
Daywatch
Twilight Watch
Last Watch
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#31
(04-15-2014, 10:02 AM)mv Wrote: Actually, if anyone wants to give it a try, there seem to be translations of Nightwatch and sequels online:

Nightwatch
Daywatch
Twilight Watch
Last Watch

He is supposed to be a SciFi writer, but looking him up I see almost everything really fantasy. Is there anything, outside the vampire "Night Watch" series that is good hard SciFi? And in English?
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#32
He is a SciFi author all right, and some of hard SciFi is outstanding. If I find translations I'll let you know but it seems that because of the movie, it is fantasy that is being translated. Still very good (at least in the original), and "vampire" part is not the usual treatment of the subject.

I'm not sure how good is the translation... I read a few pages and felt some loss comparing to the original..... donno if this is significant enough,
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#33
Actually,

Labyrinth of Reflections

this is sci-fi, but atypical (internet/virtual reality).
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