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George Soros - Spooky Dude
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For those in the know, Glenn Beck has dragged George Soros out of the dark, and into the light of day. Many, on the Right, have already known about how Soros has been promoting Leftist causes, but the extent of his empire has not been made public.

But no more. Like Beck, or not, he has done a real service by forcing him into public scrutiny. And here is an article, which judges Beck's veracity. It's well worth reading.

Quote:Soros, Beck, and the Holocaust

By J.R. Dunn

It will come as no surprise that Glenn Beck's broadcast biography of George Soros last week has triggered a vast brawl concerning his interpretation and treatment of the topic.

The uproar revolves around Beck's portrayal of Soros' role in the Holocaust. Beck repeats the widely known story concerning Soros' involvement in handing deportation orders to Jewish families on behalf of the Nazis. He emphasizes that Soros was only fourteen at the time and does not condemn the activity, asserting that the matter remains "between Soros and God."

I happen to have researched the episode in depth for my upcoming book, Death by Liberalism, and I can state here that Beck's narrative is completely accurate. His treatment of it is commendable, in particular his statement that no one has a right to judge the efforts of Jews to survive in Nazi-occupied Europe.

All the same, the segment has triggered a firestorm among the usual suspects, who appear to view Soros as sharing in Obama's divine status. In a hagiographic fresco dealing with the Advent of the One, the Soros halo would only be slightly smaller than that of Obama himself. In this regard, he must be defended at all costs.

The piece from Mediaite can serve as an example. Both the text and the comments are revealing. They express three major objections to Beck's treatment:

1) The incident never happened.
2) Its import and meaning are quite different that what is implied.
3) Beck is throwing around Nazi associations in much the same way that the left do when they assert (one example out of thousands), that Prescott Bush "assisted the Nazis."

First off -- as stated above, there's no question that the incident occurred. In fact, there's considerably more to it. Soros also assisted in the collection of Jewish chattels -- clothing, furniture, and the like -- for shipment to Germany. We have this on the highest authority, from an eyewitness of unimpeachable status: Soros himself. During a 1998 "60 Minutes" interview, Soros admitted to the entire story without hesitation. He also stated that he felt no guilt, adding that the situation cannot be understood be anyone who was not there. Then, in what might be called typical Soros style, he concludes by comparing his cooperation with the Nazis with his later activities in the markets.

As to the import of the episode -- many of the comments draw very close to Holocaust denial. How do we know, they ask, that the Jews in question were being sent to the death camps? They could have been going anywhere -- "to Hawaii," one thoughtful commentator states.

This is a standard trope of the Holocaust-denial industry. "Revisionists," as they fancy themselves, have given up complete denial of the exterminations in favor of minimizing Nazi crimes by shaving away at the margins. So we get claims that not all the victims died in Auschwitz, Treblinka, Belzec, and the other camps, but instead were "sent" somewhere -- nobody knows quite where. In the 1980s, one insightful little scholar suggested that a large proportion of the missing six million could be found in Israeli retirement homes. The odious David Irving, a legitimate historian who slid into denial for reasons unknown even to himself, blithely insisted that he had "no idea" what happened to the European Jews, even though he had access to the largest private archive of Nazi documentation ever assembled.

The truth is simple: every Jew deported from the European ghettos went directly to the camps. Most of them were gassed immediately and then -- as the survivors put it -- went up the chimneys. There is no denying this, or eliding it, or making it mean anything else other than what it is. Holocaust denial is a crime. Anyone denying the exterminations is engaging in criminal activity -- particularly if it involves, as it does here, an attempt to silence a political opponent.

On to the claim that Beck is slandering Soros as a Nazi. This type of smear is not uncommon, and it is usually seen headed from the left in a rightward direction, under the assumption that both conservatism and Nazism are "right-wing" doctrines. The Prescott Bush libel is instructive here. Apparently the bank on whose board Bush sat loaned money to Nazi Germany during the 1930s. This is enough for him, his son, and his grandson to be damned from here to eternity as Nazi collaborators of the foulest type, according to the American left.

In truth, Bush was in no way involved in the day-to-day operations of the bank. He may not have been aware of the loans, he may not have voted on them, and he may well not have been asked his opinion. Many international banks loaned money to Germany during that period. We can judge none of them by hindsight. In the early to mid-'30s, Hitler was considered a strongman much like Mussolini or Ataturk, a man whose stern policies and harsh ways were required by the needs of the moment. His attacks on Jews were dismissed as crowd-pleasing rhetoric. Such lofty figures as Franklin D. Roosevelt, Rexford Tugwell, Adolf Berle, Evelyn Waugh, and Wyndham Lewis all expressed admiration for Hitler and Nazism in the early 1930s. Even Winston Churchill, Hitler's deadliest enemy, wrote that if Britain was ever caught in the same predicament as Germany, he hoped that a figure as strong as Hitler would appear to lead her out of it.

That attitude began to fade with Hitler's intervention in Spain in 1936, and it vanished entirely when 1938's Kristallnacht fully revealed his monstrous intentions. Hitler's previous admirers turned away in horror, leaving only mad, capering Ezra Pound to sing his glories.

That's how such slurs work -- a nugget of fact wrapped in endless layers of distortion and innuendo. That is not what Beck is involved in. As we've seen, he retails the story straightforwardly, with no embellishment or speculation. He withholds judgment on grounds of moral discretion and implicitly encourages others to do the same.

Then why mention the story at all? Because it's necessary. An honest portrayal of George Soros would be incomplete without it. There's an aspect of Soros' behavior that has gone unexamined and virtually unmentioned: the complete disconnect between his activities as a businessman and his ambitions as a philanthropist. Soros has, at the very least, skirted financial regulations in most or all of the countries in which he has operated. He has done worse in France, Malaysia, and Thailand -- the French fined him millions, while the Southeast Asian states are reportedly very interested in speaking to him in private. He has caused enormous misery through his currency manipulations. He evidently feels no guilt concerning these matters, either.

Yet this same man professes to be the greatest living champion of the "open society," the bearer of the legacy of Karl Popper (one of the few liberty-loving political philosophers of the last century), and the architect of a true people's democracy, working together with his protégé, Barack Obama.

There's something terribly wrong here. This is not the way a benefactor of humanity actually behaves. It's as if Gandhi financed his independence movement through a network of casinos, or if Martin Luther King sat on the councils of Murder Incorporated. What can the explanation be?

I believe that it can be found in Budapest in 1944. The Holocaust left deep and lasting scars on all who survived it, scars that often acted to cripple their psyches for decades afterward, if not for their entire lifetimes. It's highly unlikely that George Soros is an exception. Did the brutalization of those days find a response in buccaneer raids on the financial markets? Did the memories of what he was forced to do transform him into one of those creatures who "loves humanity and hates human beings"? Is he now little more than a shattered clockwork figure attempting in his twilight years to "do good" without the vaguest notion of what such a concept might entail?

I think the argument could be made. I await Glenn Beck's interpretation with interest. One thing we can be sure of: the left will not be any happier about it than they are with what they've already heard.

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I guess since Soros is on TV admitting all this in 1998,he could care less about Beck re-revealing it though.
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Palladin Wrote:I guess since Soros is on TV admitting all this in 1998,he could care less about Beck re-revealing it though.
Yeah, I don't think Soros gives a rat's ass. The ones that do are all the others on the left.

And for myself I couldn't care any less what Beck has to say about anything.
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I'm not a Beck fan myself,but,like with anything,if he is accurate here it is of value.

Kind of like communism,did it have any positives? Yea,it was totally opposed to racism and I like that.

I dislike every other aspect I ever read about,this one I liked.

I personally think Beck is a huckster and a bad "face" for conservatives to have.

He comes over to me as a TV preacher and there's something about those dudes that bothers me a lot,though I am sure 1 or 2 have been honorable men.
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I like Beck, and watched his last 3 shows where he exposes Soros' involvement of Leftist causes. It's time someone expose Soros because he has caused a lot of harm over the past 30 years.
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WB,



He funds lots of their nonsense,that's what counts.

I doubt any leftist would refuse his funding over this.
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WarBicycle Wrote:I like Beck, and watched his last 3 shows where he exposes Soros' involvement of Leftist causes. It's time someone expose Soros because he has caused a lot of harm over the past 30 years.

I guess I fall somewhere in between WB. I view him as totally sincere, having the country's best interests in mind.

I don't go along with his belief that inflation is going to be a 'giant killer'. It's going to be a real problem, but nothing like he envisions. In my opinion anyway.

But he is 'right on' about Soros, and other things. And the fact that he is a huge Tea Party follower means I will cut him a lot of slack. If some others here don't like him, that's their problem. I notice that none of these folks have anyone they publicly favour. I wonder who they really DO like?
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Inflation usually follows slow periods where manufacturers try to pay catchup for money lost when times were tough.
'It's not who votes that matters, it's who counts the votes'  |  György Schwartz, Budapest, Hungary
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John,

Beck is a showman,you know this. Lots of what he says may have positive value,but,he's really a showman.

Carnival act type.

Like the investment guy, Kramer. That makes me leery of him.

Beyond that,he has some views of the formal role of his faith and his governance which deserve your research.

The secular manner of our state relative to our many faith ideas is a good one,Glenn Beck believes the USA is God's country and that is a scary thing to believe.

It's caused us to get ourselves involved in wars since 1900 most other nations wouldn't have remotely considered.
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#10
Something has to be done to overcome 2 generations of Leftist brainwashing in our schools; Glen Beck's message is causing people to re-evaluate and to speak out against Leftist influence.
'It's not who votes that matters, it's who counts the votes'  |  György Schwartz, Budapest, Hungary
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I agree with that,I just think we need to "split the uprights" instead of missing to the "right" where the lefties miss to the left is all.

We need to deconstruct lots of leftist mentality,we do not need to erect an edifice of Church+State in it's place,that would be just as devastating to our nation and our freedom.

Let's go the route of a Barry Goldwater type,Ronald Reagan,we are making an error if we rightists follow the siren song that the USA is "God's country".

That right there is a bad idea. Just as bad as the secular left saying "there is no god" and all morality is flexible,up for negotiation with the latest fad.
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John L Wrote:I don't go along with his belief that inflation is going to be a 'giant killer'. It's going to be a real problem, but nothing like he envisions. In my opinion anyway.

Here's Soros idea of a really good functioning government.

Regarding Beck/Soros inflation comment ...

-As posted on the "Great Inflation" thread, Soros has been steadily increasing his gold holdings. The guy absolutely has to be plugged into the decision making processes of our own government ... and others.

-While many investors are taking profit from U.S. Govt. bonds, China continues to purchase treasuries ... we are becoming increasingly dependent on a hostile competitor as our permanent 'benefactor'.

-Soros has already successfully bet against and (deliberately) tanked the Brit's currency.

-Crashing the U.S. dollar would be an absolutely spectacular coup for a guy like Soros. In his mind I have no doubt that there's an incentive to push us toward what he sees as "good governance" as indicated above. ... particularly if he could 'hedge' the deal and make a mountain of money on it.

A deliberate internationally coordinated attempt to trash the dollar (even more than Bernacke and Co. are already managing out in the open) would be a MUCH bigger problem than you are giving credit for John. Beck can get pretty hysterical over stuff ... but I still have a nagging bad feeling about this one.

The left despises this country and the left has always employed disaster and catastrophe to impose it's idea of 'change' ... and I wouldn't put it past that old buzzard to go that particular route. For all we know, he's got a man (with a greyish beard) on the inside. Shock
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#13
Too bad Simon Wiesenthal didn't go after him for crimes against Jews.
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mr_yak Wrote:::snip::

The left despises this country...

::snip::
I don't buy unsubstaniable claims like this from the wack job right any more than I buy similar claims from the loony left. Extremists from BOTH sides are working against the American people.
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mr_yak Wrote:Here's Soros idea of a really good functioning government.

As a dedicated Collectivist, it is logical for him to think another Collectivist government, even a Fascist one, is better than one that is not. Of course, we are quickly headed that direction.
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Biker Dude Wrote:
mr_yak Wrote:::snip::

The left despises this country...

::snip::
I don't buy unsubstaniable claims like this from the wack job right any more than I buy similar claims from the loony left. Extremists from BOTH sides are working against the American people.

Please quote a conservative voice from the 'right' making a similar statement that "China is superior to the U.S. in governance". Our President his wife are constantly going out of their way to point out just how unexceptional this country is ... even using the SOU address to disparage SCOTUS ..

... taking open slaps at ordinary Americans that choose to disagree with his policies ...

Calling us stupid ... soulless ...

... Mocking the widow of a former President ...

You can probably put a good deal of this off to stupidity, arrogance and carelessness ... but seriously, when was the last time you saw a U.S. President or even his press secretary spend so much time bashing such a wide variety of their fellow Americans?

Do you honestly think guys like Obama's pal Bill Ayers don't despise this country Biker? Cuz for somebody that loves it he seems like he and his girlfriend spent an inordinate amount of time running around trying to blow it up.
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John L Wrote:
mr_yak Wrote:Here's Soros idea of a really good functioning government.

As a dedicated Collectivist, it is logical for him to think another Collectivist government, even a Fascist one, is better than one that is not. Of course, we are quickly headed that direction.

The Tom Friedman reference in that article goes to the time honored lefty wish ... "if only we could be authoritarians for just a day" ... just imagine what could get done! Soros is a crony-capitalist-collectivist. His hooks go deep into governments all around the world, less for ideology ... more for profits. He strikes me as the stereotypical apparatchik opportunist found in wearisome Ayn Rand books ... 'strictly' following the party line ... just so long as he get's his own "fair share" of the loot ... and actually a little more will do just fine too ... Wink1

Again, I don't think it's too much "far right lunacy" to imagine that if he could topple the American apple cart and make some dough at the same time ... that would tickle him just fine.
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mr_yak Wrote:Please quote a conservative voice from the 'right' making a similar statement that "China is superior to the U.S. in governance". Our President his wife are constantly going out of their way to point out just how unexceptional this country is ... even using the SOU address to disparage SCOTUS ..

... taking open slaps at ordinary Americans that choose to disagree with his policies ...

Calling us stupid ... soulless ...

... Mocking the widow of a former President ...

You can probably put a good deal of this off to stupidity, arrogance and carelessness ... but seriously, when was the last time you saw a U.S. President or even his press secretary spend so much time bashing such a wide variety of their fellow Americans?

Do you honestly think guys like Obama's pal Bill Ayers don't despise this country Biker? Cuz for somebody that loves it he seems like he and his girlfriend spent an inordinate amount of time running around trying to blow it up.
Well now, you really don't get to be that exact in demanding what I might post. If I have the time tomorrow, I will see what I can come up with. Breitbart? If that is our standard for journalism, I am sure there will be plenty.

And no, I don't believe they hate America. I think they may have some very different ideas as to what the ideal society should look like...but hate? Do I agree with it? No. But that is a pure right wing conspiracy nutjob talking point.
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mr_yak Wrote:Please quote a conservative voice from the 'right' making a similar statement that "China is superior to the U.S. in governance".

How about when George W. Bush said this:

Quote:If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier... just so long as I'm the dictator.

Now about this attack on Soros... This is just so typical of the right wing slime machine. When ever anyone does or says something that the right doesn't like and there is nothing really wrong with what they are saying or doing then they just start attacking them personally and demonizing them to no end. It is just like what John L does to me all the time. Since he can't debate me without making himself look like an idiot he just resorts to personal attacks. As far as I am concerned both Beck and John L are truly pathetic for constantly resorting to these kind of attacks.

And one more thing... John's original article is completely wrong about the left throwing around thousands of Nazi associations like what Beck does constantly. It just doesn't happen that much. Sure... it happens at times but it is nothing like what the right has been doing over the last 3 years.
The rightist motto: "Facts?... we don't need no stinkin facts."

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BRAVO Buzz!! Give us more of the same.



The simple truth however, is that the Left uses the "Nazi", or "Facist" labels almost constantly. And that is because they haven't the faintest idea what the REAL definition of Nazi,(NSDAP-National Socialist Workers Party) or Fascist, really is. But since they are not hurling it at you, and you don't frequent non-Leftist political sites(with possibly the exception of here), you don't see it. Either that or you are blind, in more ways than one.

Perhaps you and BikerDude should put your heads together and attack your perceived enemies from both directions. That way you cover all your bases. Wink1

Also, keep in mind that a 'head' is far different from the 'brain', which is housed within. Further, brain size is not an indication of intellectual maturity either, just as intelligence, and wisdom(common sense) are not the same thing. This is why the primitive, emotive, Left has such a high hurtle to overcome, in order to achieve wisdom.
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