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Historians locate King Arthur's Round Table?

 
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:58 am    Post subject: Historians locate King Arthur's Round Table? Reply with quote

This is an interesting article. What is interesting is that ancient tales, including biblical stripture, generally have a great deal of accuracy within them, yet still have some variation, which can only be taken as embellishments, or loss of accuracy due to retelling of the tale. If this really is the place where King Arthur discussed things with his retainers, it shows far more Roman influence than later English, as tales tend to go.

My guess is that Arthur, or something like 'Arturus', a vulgar form of classical Latin 'Artōrius', is his real name, and he was indeed a Roman citizen, remaining behind, following Rome's withdrawal from Brittan. Or it could have been the son/grandson of a Roman aristocrat. And almost certainly the retainers, called knights today, would have been dressed in Roman attire, and used Roman tactics.

It's an interesting story, and may well be the location of the 'so called' Round Table. Note that while there is not table, there is still a round area, which would be hard to change in the telling of a story over generations/centuries.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting, although I'm doubtful that the "Martyr Stone" is a clincher. They found a round amphitheater-like ruin with a stone inside where someone's head can be chopped off. The photograph that accompanied the article makes it seem like there was illustrated artwork there as well. I don't think so. Stonehenge was round, too, with enough stones lying around to have been used as a martyr stone. Somehow I expect a little more in the way of authentication.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't know that Christianity got there by the 6th century.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Certainly, they did. The mission of St. Augustine was in 597, and the synod between the Celtic and Roman churches was in 664.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Palladin wrote:
I didn't know that Christianity got there by the 6th century.


Christianity had been first an underground, and then an unofficial religion, but tolerated, until Constantine officially opened his arms in 313AD.

Rome officially withdrew from Britain around 400-420 AD, so Christianity was firmly established by then. Arthur was probably the grandson of a Roman elitist, who remained behind, and I am certain many did, since they enjoyed the life there. My guess is that until the Anglo-Saxon conquest of much of England, Roman traditions, trade, religion, and even the military, were related to Roman tradition at the time.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the romans ruled by terror and sheding blood, the fate of your pet people the jews reveals this sufficiently, and the romans also had funny ideas of entertainment, always involving the death of people in gladiator fights etc. to what extent they were more civilized than the germanic tribes who invaded britain escapes me.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know why,but,I thought Christianity didn't head that far west for centuries more.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

quadrat wrote:
to what extent they were more civilized than the germanic tribes who invaded britain escapes me.


by being better killers, of course.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, considering the anglo-saxons won and displaced the brittons and romans, they might look for artur's table elsewhere, perhaps in wales, or the bretagne (brittany) in france.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am more familiar with the mythical tales of Arthur. I am curious how these tales becomes intertwined with the notion of a Christian Roman leader. The tales always seemed pagan to me, so what is the pagan influence of early England and how did it mix with Christianity?
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