Global cooling, er, I mean warming, er, wait...

[Palladin]

It's warmer than normal in Tennessee so far.

[jt]

All year?

[WmLambert]

It all depends where the measurements are taken. In Vegas, because the tourist trade is the most important thing, temperatures are taken next to cooling towers and in the shade, so as not to scare away the visitors with +100°F lows. ...If I hear one more Vegas publicist who says, "It's the humidity - not the temperature..."

[Buzz]

OMFG! !!! WM.... you have got to be the biggest brainwashed idiot on this forum. Cooling towers HEAT the surrounding environment. So... if people were wanting to make Vegas look cooler then it really is then they would NOT take temperatures next to a cooling tower. You are literally making sh!t up.

Give up dude... you are utterly clueless.

[mr_yak]

Here's a fun little empirical note ...

The '90s were a 'warm' decade ... but there are only a few state record highs from that period. The vast majority are from the '30s. And only one or two records from this century.

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/wheat7.htm

I was thinking about this because even though I spent a bit of my childhood in Phoenix, I still think that Laughlin Nev. is the hottest damned place I've ever been .. Record (state) there is 125 but I'm pretty sure it hit 122 when I was there a few years ago. The locals acted like that was pretty normal. It wasn't 'normal' for me ... I remember being in the shade in a pool submerged up to my nostrils and and all I could really think about was DAMN IT'S HOT!!

[Palladin]

JT,

No, the summer was normal, the fall and early winter have been a tad warmer than normal, but, right now it's cold.

[John L]

Well now that the concept of the planet getting warmer is really starting to lose traction with the masses and more professionals, this war over Global Warming, will come to an end, right? If you say "right", YOU LOSE!!

What? You're kidding, right John? Well, no I'm not. Because the REAL agenda and goal behind all this AGW craze, is just the Cover Issue, hiding the main one. The ultimate goal is to force the world into one world Collectivist government, in which Egalitarianism is the main means of punishing the over achieving Western countries. And the punishment for over production and consumption, which causes "Global Warming, Global Cooling, Coming Ice Age, etc, etc, etc, will be exacted on the West and given to those in the 3rd World. Collectivist Egalitarianism(forget real equality) will rule supreme: the 'haves' will be punished, and the 'have-nots' will be compensated.

And if you think I am smoking something illegal, all you need to do is just read this little article by a fellow called Zombie. Zombie is reading the tea leaves, because he picked up an old book, entitled ”The Weather Conspiracy: The Coming of the New Ice Age”. He picked it up at a garage sale. And when he started reading it, he discovered that the solutions for fighting this ice age were exactly the same ones being put forth under the current global warming one.

Quote:I just finished reading a terrifying new book about climate change. I learned this:

• Climate change is happening faster than we realize and it will have catastrophic consequences for mankind.
• There’s very little we can do to stop it at this late stage, but we might be able to save ourselves if we immediately take these necessary and drastic steps:

Quote:- Increase our reliance on alternative energy sources and stop using so much oil and other carbon-based fuels;
- Adopt energy-efficient practices in all aspects of our lives, however inconvenient;
- Impose punitive taxes on inefficient or polluting activities to discourage them;
- Funnel large sums of money from developed nations like the U.S. to Third World nations;
- In general embrace all environmental causes.

You of course recognize these as the solutions most often recommended to ameliorate the looming crisis of Global Warming. But there’s a little glitch in my narrative. Because although the book I read was indeed about climate change, it wasn’t about Global Warming at all; it was instead about “The Coming of the New Ice Age,” and it isn’t exactly “new” — it was published in 1977.

Zombie's conclusion:

Quote:The true purpose of climate change disaster-mongering is to permanently cripple the First World, and to elevate the Third World, in order to create a planet with no economic inequality. The goal remains constant; the supposed imminent catastrophes justifying it come and go as needed.

The book states,

Quote:In order to weaken and eventually destroy the existing industrialized nations, we must devise an ecological “crisis” so severe that only voluntary economic suicide can solve it; and if this first crisis doesn’t materialize as planned, then devise another, and another, even if they flatly contradict our previous claims.

After all, the book talks about a "Weather Conspiracy". And the guilty must pay for being a part of this conspiracy.

I'm still trying to pinpoint just who is actually part of this conspiracy.

Does this sound like the 'Occupy Wall St.' crowd?

Anyway, you really need to read this article. Its very revealing.

[jt]

There is a recent article that posits mini ice ages to come.


LINK

A couple of headlines:

Quote:Forget global warming - it's Cycle 25 we need to worry about (and if NASA scientists are right the Thames will be freezing over again)

Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years

[John L]

(02-02-2012 05:43 PM)jt Wrote:  There is a recent article that posits mini ice ages to come.


LINK

A couple of headlines:

Quote:Forget global warming - it's Cycle 25 we need to worry about (and if NASA scientists are right the Thames will be freezing over again)

Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years

It's not going to matter to the Collectivist Kooks. Come rain or shine, they are still going to push their agenda:punish the achievers through a super-entity(think one world government), and force Egalitarianism.

The science community has been for all this because it has led to untold amounts of government grants. When, and its only a matter or time, the coming global cooling becomes the latest craze 'du jour', they will be all for it as long as it will garner them lots of so called Research cash. Oh sure, some of them really believe this crap from a political POV, but its mostly for the money.

Even Buzz will become silent on this one. Naturally he won't agree with us because we are heartless capitalist bastards who are just screwing the poor, and need to be punished. This will return again to the real reason why he is spouting all this craziness.

[jt]

Of course not. Then are all in and will not back down, some of them never, and some of them until the proverbial 2x4 is put to work. They have too much invested in the idea politically, economically and philosophically. But not scientifically.

[John L]

Euroland is really feeling the full force of winter.


Oh, and the Gore Effect is still hanging in there.

[quadrat]

I believe your article is about Eastern Europe. Central, Western, and Southern Europe experienced the first night this winter with temperatures below zero. In February. That wouldn't have made headlines a few years ago. Scandinavia, well, I followed the winter-sport events as I always do. In places at the Arctic circle, they had to put lanes of artificial snow in the otherwise black forrests, really a strange sight in December and January.

[Buzz]

(02-02-2012 05:43 PM)jt Wrote:  There is a recent article that posits mini ice ages to come.


LINK

A couple of headlines:

Quote:Forget global warming - it's Cycle 25 we need to worry about (and if NASA scientists are right the Thames will be freezing over again)

Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years

What a load of crap!! I have shown on several occasions that this kind of cherry picking of facts is down right dishonest. But you denialists just ignore me and keep repeating stupid shit like this.

Here is what the MET office has to say about this denialist BS:

Quote:Today the Mail on Sunday published a story written by David Rose entitled “Forget global warming – it’s Cycle 25 we need to worry about”.

This article includes numerous errors in the reporting of published peer reviewed science undertaken by the Met Office Hadley Centre and for Mr. Rose to suggest that the latest global temperatures available show no warming in the last 15 years is entirely misleading.

Despite the Met Office having spoken to David Rose ahead of the publication of the story, he has chosen to not fully include the answers we gave him to questions around decadal projections produced by the Met Office or his belief that we have seen no warming since 1997...

...what is absolutely clear is that we have continued to see a trend of warming, with the decade of 2000-2009 being clearly the warmest in the instrumental record going back to 1850.

Read the entire article here.

(02-02-2012 05:55 PM)John L Wrote:  Even Buzz will become silent on this one. Naturally he won't agree with us because we are heartless capitalist bastards who are just screwing the poor, and need to be punished. This will return again to the real reason why he is spouting all this craziness.

Well John... you are wrong yet again. I am not being silent on this because it is yet another denialist LIE!!! And why I disagree has nothing to with you being heartless capitalist bastards. It has to with all you denialists being scientifically illiterate and brainwashed dumb asses. Just look at all the instances of me proving you all wrong over and over and over again. And you guys can almost never prove me wrong. And that is why you have to make shit up about me like this.

John... you are truly pathetic.

(02-03-2012 11:46 AM)John L Wrote:  Euroland is really feeling the full force of winter.

Another anecdotal instance of cold weather? Seriously??

(02-03-2012 11:46 AM)John L Wrote:  Oh, and the Gore Effect is still hanging in there.

Oh Boy!! More BS from WUWT!!

The weather data they show is for February 2. Al was in the Weddell Sea on the first. Not the second. Al was actually visiting Palmer Station on the second. And Palmer Station is on the north west side of the peninsula. According to the data WUWT provides the temps were normal there.

There is no "Gore effect". It is a made up denialist talking point used to idiotically attack Al. And you denialists lap it up every time.

Suckers

[drgonzaga]

(12-06-2011 05:15 PM)Palladin Wrote:  It's warmer than normal in Tennessee so far.

In contrast it's as cold as a "little ice age" in Europe...

http://www.kwtx.com/weather/headlines/Wi...10339.html

[JohnWho]

He, he -

Buzz is trolling again and making an "Azz" of himself!

He gets up in the morning, looks in the mirror and sees the reflection of a "denialist", becomes irate, and goes around calling everyone else one.

He denies proper science and proper observation. If it isn't the "slop" he's being fed, in his mind it isn't worth eating. Too bad, too - there is some great steak and lobster and truffles out here - he just needs to step away from the trough.

Oh, and only the overly manipulated NASA GISS Gistemp shows warming over the last roughly 15 years (since 1998):

http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/mea...ss/mean:12

Of course, that's the only one Buzz believes, while he denies the other ones.

Nothig unusual going on - just as in the early 1900's and around the 1970's when the recovery from the LIA took a slight downturn - so too does it appear to be happening now. Of course, Buzz doesn't see that because he denies the LIA (and the WMP), but like the scorpion, "it is what he does".

Thanks for the laugh this morning Buzz.

[John L]

Buzz, if I wasn't aware of your incessant need to 'Project' your scientific strengths, I would be offended with your innuendos. However, I know what is driving your remarks, so I allow you to keep us informed of your strengths.

[sunsettommy]

In reply to Buzz from post #713 is this statement he wrote:

"What a load of crap!! I have shown on several occasions that this kind of cherry picking of facts is down right dishonest. But you denialists just ignore me and keep repeating stupid shit like this.

Here is what the MET office has to say about this denialist BS:"

He then quotes from the Met office:

Quote:Today the Mail on Sunday published a story written by David Rose entitled “Forget global warming – it’s Cycle 25 we need to worry about”.

This article includes numerous errors in the reporting of published peer reviewed science undertaken by the Met Office Hadley Centre and for Mr. Rose to suggest that the latest global temperatures available show no warming in the last 15 years is entirely misleading.

Despite the Met Office having spoken to David Rose ahead of the publication of the story, he has chosen to not fully include the answers we gave him to questions around decadal projections produced by the Met Office or his belief that we have seen no warming since 1997...

...what is absolutely clear is that we have continued to see a trend of warming, with the decade of 2000-2009 being clearly the warmest in the instrumental record going back to 1850.

It is funny that Buzz rants about us being "cherrypickers" when the Met office did that very thing and highly misleading too.See the specific quote below that shows it nakedly.

Quote:“However, what is absolutely clear is that we have continued to see a trend of warming, with the decade of 2000-2009 being clearly the warmest in the instrumental record going back to 1850.

The lies pour out in a gusher here because their own chart make it clear there has been ZERO warming for the decade.In direct contradiction to the 2011 IPCC report first decade projections.That showed a .20C increase.

See for yourself:



See the flatness since 1998?

The other chart is also misleading as well.It is no wonder the Met office has been miserable in their forecasts in recent years.They are infected with AGW pseudoscience.

Here is a much better chart using Hadley Centre data that shows the recent warming trend is very similar to the OTHER two warming trends since the 1850's.Dr Jones himself admits this as true:



From the BBC is the Q and A interview with Dr. Jones who admits to the similar warming trends since the 1850's.

There is a chart supplied in the link.It clearly shows no unusual warming trend that may have ended recently.

LINK

Buzz don't you get tired of shooting yourself in the foot?

[John L]

This of course won't mean 'diddly' to Buzz, because he has already been inoculated from the whole truth. But I'm going to post it here anyway. And if Buzz fails to appreciate this, the Germans won't. You can count on it, because the timing is impeccable: with in the middle of a very cold European winter.

Just remember, this entire thing is 'truly pathetic' as Buzz would contend. Just ask our resident AGW worshiper.

Quote:Body Blow To German Global Warming Movement! Major Media Outlets Unload On “CO2 Lies!”

“THE CO2 LIES … pure fear-mongering … should we blindly trust the experts?”

That’s what Germany’s leading daily Bild wrote in its print and online editions today, on the very day that renowned publisher Hoffmann & Campe officially released a skeptic book – one written by a prominent socialist and environmental figure.

This is huge. More than I ever could have possibly imagined. And more is coming in the days ahead! The Bild piece was just the first of a series.

Mark this as the date that Germany’s global warming movement took a massive body blow.

Today, not one, but two of Germany’s most widely read news media published comprehensive skeptical climate science articles in their print and online editions, coinciding with the release of a major climate skeptical book, Die kalte Sonne (The Cold Sun).

Germany has now plunged into raucus discord on the heated topic of climate change

What has set it all off? One of the fathers of Germany’s modern green movement, Professor Dr. Fritz Vahrenholt, a social democrat and green activist, decided to author a climate science skeptical book together with geologist/paleontologist Dr. Sebastian Lüning. Vahrenholt’s skepticism started when he was asked to review an IPCC report on renewable energy. He found hundreds of errors. When he pointed them out, IPCC officials simply brushed them aside. Stunned, he asked himself, “Is this the way they approached the climate assessment reports?”

Vahrenholt decided to do some digging. His colleague Dr. Lüning also gave him a copy of Andrew Montford’s The Hockey Stick Illusion. He was horrified by the sloppiness and deception he found. Persuaded by Hoffmann & Campe, he and Lüning decided to write the book. Die kalte Sonne cites 800 sources and has over 80 charts and figures. It examines and summarizes the latest science.

Conclusion: climate catastrophe is called off

The science was hyped. The book started hitting the bookshops today and has already hit no. 1 on the Amazon.de list for environment books. Indications show that it will climb very high in the overall bestseller charts. It’s published by a renowned publishing house and is now sending shock waves through the German climate science establishment. The first printing will produce 20,000 copies. I expect they will sell out rather quickly.

Today Germany’s national tabloid Bild (which has a whopping circulation of 16 million) devoted half of page 2 on an article called:

THE CO2 LIE

Renowned team of scientists claim the climate catastrophe is fear-mongering by politics“

The widely read Bild will follow with the rest of the series in the days ahead. In part I today Bild presents “What the IPCC of the UN doesn’t tell you.” Bild asks “what if the IPCC is wrong? Can we really blindly trust these experts? Are they really independent?”

Bild then writes:

The phenomenal prognoses of heat from the IPCC are pure fear-mongering.”

The Bild series is sure to cause radical environmentalists to seethe and lash out. Expect an all-out assault in the days and weeks ahead. Already the reaction from activists has been swift and virulent – though they have yet to read the book.

They never wanted the debate – and now the dam has broken

And the floods of skepticism are sweeping over the country. Worse, Germany’s flagship weekly news magazine Der Spiegel today also featured a 4-page exclusive interview with Vahrenholt, where he repeated that the IPCC has ignored a large part of climate science and that IPCC scientists exaggerated the impact of CO2 on climate. Vahrenholt said that by extending the known natural cycles of the past into the future, and taking CO2′s real impact into effect, we should expect a few tenths of a degree of cooling.

At a press conference today in Berlin, Vahrenholt, Lüning and publisher Hoffmann & Campe introduced the book and answered reporters’ questions. When asked why Hoffmann & Campe decided to publish “such a book”, the spokesman simply answered that the time is right – and there’s a real audience for the book. Even the weather timing was right! Germany is now experiencing it’s worst cold snap in 26 years. That makes it hard to deny lack of warming.

It needs to be pointed out Vahrenholt and Lüning are not skeptics; they are lukewarmers who have not been able to find any evidence of a coming climate catastrophe. They believe that man should switch to renewables, but do so in a rational manner: “Work fast, but don’t hurry.”

Skeptic readers should not think that the book will fortify their existing skepticism of CO2 causing warming. The authors agree it does. but have major qualms about the assumed positive CO2-related feed-backs and believe the sun plays a far greater role in the whole scheme of things.

The book cites more than 800 sources – including the latest peer-reviewed literature. It includes more than 80 graphics that clearly illustrate that all is not well with the claims made by alarmist science. It is written so that laymen can easily digest the material and it provides a comprehensive overview of the science and where it stands today.

The book has also infuriated the AGW leadership in Germany. For example, academia. University of Osnabrück took the step of dis-inviting Professor Vahrenholt who was scheduled to give a speech on February 8. The University claimed that Vahrenholt’s skeptical views were “provocative”. Also the centre-left SPD party, where Vahrenholt is a member, has been deafeningly silent.

This cat is out of the bag – and it’s not going back in.

[John L]

And just to add to all this, here is just one more dire prediction not occurring as foretold.

Quote:The world's greatest snow-capped peaks, which run in a chain from the Himalayas to Tian Shan on the border of China and Kyrgyzstan, have lost no ice over the last decade, new research shows.

The discovery has stunned scientists, who had believed that around 50bn tonnes of meltwater were being shed each year and not being replaced by new snowfall.

Being 'stunned' and 'shocked' cannot continue if these things become the norm. However, in spite of these things the loss of ice caps and glaciers around the world still remains a serious concern.

[Palladin]

That tells me these "scientists" are really superstitious, over educated idiots.